John Terry... you rat!

semi-pro waster said:
Just to offer another option, that no-one has forgotten since could be down to the deterrent effect from the harsh punitive measures taken couldn't it? Maybe footballers are one of the few groups who respond to harsh punishments as a deterrent.

However he may also be thick and lying, I don't think it has to be an either/or situation for him.
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We'll never know I suppose, but he must have known the repurcussions, players will have the importance of drug testing explained to them, to 'forget' is a bit strange, when I imagine the club employ certain people to remind players of such important things, but that's total speculation.

Either way I don't feel as though he's the right man based on other things too. Also, seems a strange time to give it to him when this is the worst period he's had in his career, he's hardly been playing and when he does his body language and actions (the ban) make him seem like he's developed a bad attitude
 
johnyccc said:
5- Then who else? Neither Lampard or Gerrard ever play well for England. And Lampard has no experience of being captain.
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Lampard is vice captain at Chelsea and considering Terry has spent a vast amount of times on the sidelines he has the arm band quite a lot!
 
Why do people keep making this a moral choice? :confused:

It's got nothing to do with the actual offences. It's the potential dressing-room split, and therefore lack of command that Terry may well now have.

I really don't get why people keep bringing up "Well, Rio's hardly a role model, is he?" as a relevant point.
 
Weebull said:
Why do people keep making this a moral choice? :confused:

It's got nothing to do with the actual offences. It's the potential dressing-room split, and therefore lack of command that Terry may well now have.

I really don't get why people keep bringing up "Well, Rio's hardly a role model, is he?" as a relevant point.
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Don't particularly like it either but you have to take into consideration that millions of kids do look up to him, it's almost unavoidable. I imagine I would tell my kids not to but to many he's an icon
 
people make you sick, holding up banners at the chelsea game that theyre with terry and that hes still there number 1 etc. hes a dirty lowlife serial adulterer who doesnt give two hoots about his wife and kids as long as he can fulfill his carnal desires.
it just makes you sick that in todays world people are of such a low moral standard that the antics of animals such as terry have no effect on their moral compass.
i wonder how the people who are standing by terry would feel if it was their daughter,sister or niece he did the dirty on? but i doubt it would bother them too much.
 
johnyccc said:
1- Nonsense.
2- Come on..You can't be serious? Racism, assault, the club incident, selling his box, cheating on his wife (10, 12 times?), buying peoples silence..
3- Ok he's a serial speeder on a motorway.
4- Surely you can see that the captain represents the country and that he is a role model?
5- Then who else? Neither Lampard or Gerrard ever play well for England. And Lampard has no experience of being captain.
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It isn't nonsense. He failed a drugs test, period.

I must have missed all that. The club incident? Racism?

Lampard has played well for years. That he has to carry serial underperformer Gerrard alongside him is not his fault.
 
He failed a drugs test. All you need to do to fail a drugs test is not turn up, which he managed fine by going shopping IIRC.

Athletics doesn't affect footballers. He knew the rules, if he was stupid enough, or guilty enough, to miss the test then so be it. It is still a fail as per the ruling body of the sport he is a professional in.
 
FrankJH said:
No he didnt fail a drugs test - he missed one, which is a huge difference

Not only that but Athletics professions get THREE chances to attend a test - not just once when Rio was banned
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He didn't so much miss the drugs test as climb out the toilet window and zoom off in his sports car when he heard the testers were at the training ground if certain rumours are to be believed.......
 
I find it sad that we have to rely on such a group of thoroughly ****ty individuals to represent us at our national sport.
 
wordy said:
I find it sad that we have to rely on such a group of thoroughly ****ty individuals to represent us at our national sport.
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Only some of them are morally bankrupt, but I agree with you to an extent. It really is sad when they can't even be responsible, outstanding citizens for 10 years and then bugger off for the other 50 and bathe in their money
 
Let's get some things straight. Ferdinand was asked to take a drugs test at the end of a training session. He finished training with the rest of the squad, got changed and left the grounds forgetting to go have the test. A few hours later he calls the club explaining that he forgot to go be tested but the club told him that he was too late and that the testers had left. He took an official drugs test 24 hrs later passing it, found not guilty of having taken any form of drugs. He was found guilty of missing a drugs test.

He isn't a drugs cheat, or a convicted drugs cheat, charges far more severe than missing a drugs test. The F.A. dished out an 8 month ban, longer than players actually found guilty of possessing drugs in their system, a Man City player had missed a drugs test that year and was fined £2,000. Everyone at the time was calling out for an even longer ban. The England players stood by him even threatening to boycott the next England match. A fact most of you are missing.

He served his ban, missing 19 Premiership games, 6 F.A. Cup games and 2 Champions League games from the 2003-04 season, the whole Euro 2004 tournament with England, preseason with Man Utd along with the Community Shield, 5 Premier League games and 1 Champions League game from the start of the 2004-05 season.
 
The problem with the "I forgot excuse" is that, according to several ex-players, the testers accompany you from the moment you're told you're having a test until the moment you've provided your sample.

I'm not disagreeing with the rest of what you wrote though.
 
His name along with 3 other Man Utd players were picked out of a hat before the training session at Carrington had even started. At the end of the training session, the 3 players obviously made their way to be tested while Ferdinand and the rest of the players made their way home. When Ferdinand called United a few hours later, even though the testers were still at Carrington at the time, they were told it was too late for him to be tested. He was made an example of in many ways, even now I don't think he got a punishment that fit the crime.
 
I'm not calling him a cheat but something doesn't add up with Ferdinand's version of events.

From what's been said by ex-players, you never leave the testers sight so how did he manage to just walk off and forget? Surely the testers would have notice Ferdinand was missing before he'd showered, dressed and actually left Carrington? Why did it take until 'a few hours later' before Ferdinand himself realised he missed it, surely the club or the testers would have realised and contacted him?

Who knows? Maybe the testers themselves ****ed it up but something doesn't seem right.
 
Linoge said:
Let's get some things straight. Ferdinand was asked to take a drugs test at the end of a training session. He finished training with the rest of the squad, got changed and left the grounds forgetting to go have the test. A few hours later he calls the club explaining that he forgot to go be tested but the club told him that he was too late and that the testers had left. He took an official drugs test 24 hrs later passing it, found not guilty of having taken any form of drugs. He was found guilty of missing a drugs test.

He isn't a drugs cheat, or a convicted drugs cheat, charges far more severe than missing a drugs test. The F.A. dished out an 8 month ban, longer than players actually found guilty of possessing drugs in their system, a Man City player had missed a drugs test that year and was fined £2,000. Everyone at the time was calling out for an even longer ban. The England players stood by him even threatening to boycott the next England match. A fact most of you are missing.

He served his ban, missing 19 Premiership games, 6 F.A. Cup games and 2 Champions League games from the 2003-04 season, the whole Euro 2004 tournament with England, preseason with Man Utd along with the Community Shield, 5 Premier League games and 1 Champions League game from the start of the 2004-05 season.
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Linoge can I ask you to stop letting the facts get in the way of some peoples quite blind, open and in most cases misplaced hatred. :p

He was banned because he missed the test Not because he used performance enhancing drugs or failed the test as some people would love to believe
 
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