Junior doctor strike: Union's pay demands unrealistic, says Steve Barclay

inferno said:
I look at my job and in America is could make 3 to 4 times as much. This country has no resources and doesn’t really provide very much. Arguments over who gets more or less of a small pie doesn’t make a difference.
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Its not a small pie, that is rubbish. America is worse than us on many metrics so that is a very poor comparison to make. America has even worse wealth distribution that us, also good luck with healthcare in later life. As comparisons go that isn't a favourable one.
 
thenewoc said:
Hobson's choice, you know what happened when the other lot were in.
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We did fairly well?

The crash in 08 wasn't the fault of our government, and it was our government's plan that most of the rest of the world modified and used, and the conservatives ditched to make everything worse.
 
inferno said:
We need to come to terms with the fact we are not a wealthy country anymore, we can’t afford the standard of living we are used to.
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How did you come to this conclusion?
We are one of the wealthiest countries on the planet by many longstanding metrics. Recent years hasn't changed that, backwards ass government policies though have absolutely made peoples lives harder.
 
Werewolf said:
We did fairly well?

The crash in 08 wasn't the fault of our government, and it was our government's plan that most of the rest of the world modified and used, and the conservatives ditched to make everything worse.
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No, they left a terrible legacy for the Tories to pick up and we ended up with years of austerity to stop the country going bust.
 
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200sols said:
Its fairly obvious, the tax burden of the millionaires earning money through capital gains and dividends is far lower than what it should be. While people like Rishi pay effective rates of 23% on incomes of multi million pounds the working person is saddled with a 40 or 45% rate on far lower sums.
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Everyone should pay more tax - but that isn't a popular opinion.
 
bigmike20vt said:
it's does seem unfair that he pays a lower percent of tax that most of us do. I am stressing that due to not thinking about it I accidentally will be going slightly over the £1000 PA interest off my savings for the next 5 years (should have put into bonds I guess) so now gonna have to figure out how to do a tax return or will get charged... and yet others are earning eye watering amounts paying stuff all.

note yes I have a decent chunk of change in savings but I am not allowed a pension at the moment due to my job (complicated which is why I don't want to have to do a tax return) so this is my pension from the last 7 years.
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In March we each put 20K into an ISA, yesterday we each put another 20k into an ISA. 80k free from the taxman. Needs a bit of planning that's all.
 
thenewoc said:
No, tax is way too high as it is. We need to cut spending otherwise higher taxes fuel high wage demands.
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Cut spending? We have had 13 years of cutting spending and look where it has led us. It's one of those things that seemed like a good idea but the truth is that it just hasn't worked. Remember the very first thing that Thatcher did when she came in to power was not cut spending, she dramatically increased taxes.
 
Doobedoo said:
Maybe more accurate would be the wealth is going outwards, as in out the country into tax havens.
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indeed. the thing which I struggle to comprehend is how much money does a family need? give a poor family an extra £1000 a year and the chances are much more likely that that money will get spent on stuff helping the economy OR go towards savings which will be spent in later life thus reducing the chances of needing state aid later on.
give a rich (I mean really rich) person an extra £10000 and it will likely just go into some offshore tax haven helping no one and. it even improving the life of the person.
I just don't understand the logic of people on e they go beyond 7 figures of disposable wealth
 
Hagar said:
In March we each put 20K into an ISA, yesterday we each put another 20k into an ISA. 80k free from the taxman. Needs a bit of planning that's all.
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I keep on hounding my wife to use her ISA but she isn't interested. I can only do so much so now I just worry about my own cash. I am out of the country right now but once home I will be moving some funds and filling an isa.
I still regret locking up 55k into a high interest account for 5 years. it's a good interest rate but I totally forgot about the tax implication
 
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bigmike20vt said:
I keep on hounding my wife to use her ISA but she isn't interested. I can only do so much so now I just worry about my own cash. I am out of the country right now but once home I will beovong some funds and filling an isa
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It never really was a problem with 0.1% interest, now it can be with 4%. Luckily we have also bought back into a house rather than renting. Reducing our savings account.
 
Uther said:
Exactly. Thirteen years of Tory government and this is where we are.
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Oh dear still with the pitchforks aimed at the Conservative.

Brainwashing and failed thinking it was only the Tories.
this country needs to fix how it thinks, then we can move on to the next problem on our list.

Everyone is taking advantage of our foolish British ideology. Prime example the French navy problem that arose yesterday, and we are still paying them for nothing.

You can't pay your doctor's a fair wage, you can't pay the majority a fair wage. Can't understand that everything is the problem, yet people get cut down and labelled.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
indeed. the thing which I struggle to comprehend is how much money does a family need? give a poor family an extra £1000 a year and the chances are much more likely that that money will get spent on stuff helping the economy OR go towards savings which will be spent in later life thus reducing the chances of needing state aid later on.
give a rich (I mean really rich) person an extra £10000 and it will likely just go into some offshore tax haven helping no one and. it even improving the life of the person.
I just don't understand the logic of people on e they go beyond 7 figures of disposable wealth
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Most of the poor families I know are poor due to shocking fiscal responsibility. An extra grand would just disappear on ready meals, beer and fags and their financial status would remain unchanged.
 
I am not commenting on general Tories either way but it takes some serious mental gymnastics to think the current lot in right now are anything other than corrupt and inept imo . .. more so that at any other point in my life. yes Blair may be guilty of war crimes...... but honestly would any other party have been any different. we were the yanks lapdogs and they said jump so we did
 
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