Just plain old pension envy.
Junior doctor strike: Union's pay demands unrealistic, says Steve Barclay
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No, it's realism, you have to judge pay as an overall package and not just cherry pick single aspects in isolation.
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What is it you do again @thenewoc ?
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Well, yes and no. It depends on what is being compared.
If the argument was "private sector workers get paid more than the equivalent public sector worker" then, yes, I would agree with you - things like employer and compulsory employee pension contributions should be considered rather than solely the net take home pay.
This isn't the case here though.
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Of course someone has too but do you?
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Am I somehow less of a valid commenter for some reason?
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It is because you have to compare the overall package. In the public sector they're also receiving a substantial investment in training to enable them to climb the ladder to a better paid position.
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Really, AFAIK doctors and nurses for example have to pay for much/most of their own ongoing training, even just stuff required to stay "current" and licenced at their existing levels.
In the private sector any good employer will also pay for training for staff, even just simple "health and safety" or "first aid" stuff that the employer is legally required to have staff trained in, let alone the likes of job specific training or training on new equipment*.
It used to be the case that the trade off for what were often much lower salaries in the public sector was that you'd get trained, better working conditions and pensions, these days those are all largely long since gone, in many cases they stopped being offered something like 30+ years ago for new staff.
*One of my nephews changed jobs recently (went from a supermarket where they'd paid for him to be trained in food handling on the deli, fish and meat counters over the last 10 years), to a "warehouse" job that paid better and didn't require weekend working, and IIRC they paid for his training on forklifts within a couple of months as it was a benefit for the company to have as many people trained in them as possible as it means they're more flexible/don't have to wait for someone else to become available to shift pallets. Even my brother in law who works in a job where management are pretty much penny pinching in staff training/retention pay for certain training as the default once you've been there a while, again because it benefits the company.
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These two payslips aren't comparable at all.
Old payslip has £750 of overtime on it, the Base pay is 13kish more in the newer payslip, new payslip also has student loan deductions and a far more hefty personal and work contributed pension.
Looks like they are far better off now than they were 20 years ago.
For the financial year 22/23 my out of pocket expense is £2838 (yes I'm on top of it...and submitted to HMRC
)The "substantial investment in training" is paid for by us out of our own money, mostly...
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GMC/MDDUs/RCPCH fees for me - all of this should be covered as standard.For the financial year 22/23 my out of pocket expense is £2838 (yes I'm on top of it...and submitted to HMRC
The "substantial investment in training" is paid for by us out of our own money, mostly...
Paying to park at work with no guaranteed space - mental.
Study budget that doesn't even cover your mandatory courses- mental.
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I don't understand how a bigger pension even matters when you're working yourself to death, it's not the 'boon' people think it is.
Would think doctors would vastly prefer just getting paid a decent wage rather than a pension that can be raided at any moment.
Would think doctors would vastly prefer just getting paid a decent wage rather than a pension that can be raided at any moment.
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just like the medieval times where the person about to be beheaded would pay the executioner
Well, not having a clue what you're talking about isn't helping!
As you didn't actually know what a junior doctor was, you didn't know how their wage is assessed or who does it, you thought they got benefits that stopped a generation or two ago, you didn't know about their current pension schemes and you don't know how their CPD is paid for....so apart from that.....can you point out why your comments should be taken with as equal weight to people who do know about the subject?
At a trust I used to work, had to arrive by 0700 to be guaranteed a parking spot...work started at 9 :/
Since I was already in that early...just started the ward round as soon as I got on the ward...basically ~8h of unpaid extra time a week x 40 weeks
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It is a discussion forum!Well, not having a clue what you're talking about isn't helping!
As you didn't actually know what a junior doctor was, you didn't know how their wage is assessed or who does it, you thought they got benefits that stopped a generation or two ago, you didn't know about their current pension schemes and you don't know how their CPD is paid for....so apart from that.....can you point out why your comments should be taken with as equal weight to people who do know about the subject?
The govt want to delay so inflation drops and and they can then claim these workers are turning down inflation busting pay rises. At least my cynic heads thinks that..
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probably not too far off the truth
most don't realise that just like savings, inflation also compounds...so it's easy for the gov to hide behind "inflation being controlled"
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