Just dropped a deposit on some M Power - Trackday Project Car

adam cool dude said:
Hasn't Donington Park been dug up and redone since a lot of these "lap" times were done?
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Yes, Tony has replied in detail about this, once he gives OK to post his reply up I will.

In short the only concrete proven thing we have now is that a CSL / M3 with coilovers, big brake kit, Michelin cups will lap the new circuit in 1:17-1:19 on a track day, this is a proven. :)

Anything else does not really count and lets face it, the argument is pointless I wanted an M3, I am happy with it and love it on track but surprisingly enjoy it a lot on the road too. :D
 
Gibbo said:
Yes, Tony has replied in detail about this, once he gives OK to post his reply up I will.

In short the only concrete proven thing we have now is that a CSL / M3 with coilovers, big brake kit, Michelin cups will lap the new circuit in 1:17-1:19 on a track day, this is a proven. :)

Anything else does not really count and lets face it, the argument is pointless I wanted an M3, I am happy with it and love it on track but surprisingly enjoy it a lot on the road too. :D
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Agreed, now get some decent brakes and a cage (see earlier posts in thread) and go out and enjoy it.
 
Gibbo said:
Easy to do, infact Tony the owner has emailed me with full details of his EVO, CSL, times etc. If he is OK with it I will post his response here and it can be the end of it as it will be facts, not just what someone said on the internets or what a mate said in the pub or someone just made up. :)

Will DG go under the same scrutiny I wonder to prove his 1:19 claim for a regular EVO without big power or track/race prepared on road tyres? As do you believe that is possible, from my experience it seems incredible unlikely and you seem pretty clued up so what is your thinking on that claim?
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i don't mind if im scrutinized gibbo its normal for me but i don't care about if liked or not so i just do as i do and carry on.

the proof is on youtube. of scoobies doing 1:19 normal drivers not over modified (400 bhp) . its a shame there has been such a finger style point at whats true this and that . quite a interesting debate.

maybe with better braking (late breaking is best at donnigton) bit more practice you'll get your time down a bit.

whats your next plan ? shedding some more weight?
 
~>Dg<~ said:
the proof is on youtube. of scoobies doing 1:19 normal drivers not over modified (400 bhp) . its a shame there has been such a finger style point at whats true this and that . quite a interesting debate.
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Do you mind posting a couple up for me?
 
~>Dg<~ said:
i don't mind if im scrutinized gibbo its normal for me but i don't care about if liked or not so i just do as i do and carry on.

the proof is on youtube. of scoobies doing 1:19 normal drivers not over modified (400 bhp) . its a shame there has been such a finger style point at whats true this and that . quite a interesting debate.

maybe with better braking (late breaking is best at donnigton) bit more practice you'll get your time down a bit.

whats your next plan ? shedding some more weight?
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Post the video up, none of us can find it as our youtube skills clearly suck. :)
 
~>Dg<~ said:
just been looking at the ap break set ups on simpsons what you going with :cool:
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Post the link up to the video.

AP shall just go with front 6-pot calipers, 350mm disc and pads, about £2000 brand new, but fingers crossed one of the CSL guys will be selling his soon for about half that. Rears shall be left stock, most say have 4-pot AP kit on the rear gives marginal benefit in hindsight.

I am just keeping an eye on what comes up for sale but Alcon or AP's on front with larger disc will do me fine and be a vast improvement over the stock calipers and 325mm PF disc I am using. :)
 
adam cool dude said:
GC8 impreza so actually should be compared to the E36 Generation of M3.

Quick google. Club class so 1A tyres only which is standard road tyres. Michelin Cups excluded.

http://youtu.be/1eGdwbovM-A

Around the 1:16~ time.

Horses for courses really.
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That's just a bit more than 400BHP though, I can't recall but its either 650 or 850, sequential box, plus its got aero and is a full race prepared time attack, you don't go to the shops in that. :D

I want to see DG's video of this sub 400BHP road impreza that does 1:19, hoping he can share the url with us all. :)
 
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1.16.2 in a heavily modified time attack 600hp scooby, sounds about right, especially with that aero. Where's the 400hp one?
 
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Gibbo said:
That's just a bit more than 400BHP though, I can't recall but its either 650 or 850, sequential box, plus its got aero and is a full race prepared time attack, you don't go to the shops in that. :D

I want to see DG's video of this sub 400BHP road impreza that does 1:19, hoping he can share the url with us all. :)
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http://www.trackscotland.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19

1.21 Flat. Evo VII 380BHP on R888 which isn't bad considering he is putting less power to the wheels than a M3.
 
adam cool dude said:
http://www.trackscotland.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19

1.21 Flat. Evo VII 380BHP on R888 which isn't bad considering he is putting less power to the wheels than a M3.
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Yep, thanks for the link m8. :)

So we have confirmed that a CSL / M3 will do 1:17-1:19 (1:18 in video with traffic) on cups, coilovers, big brake kit on standard engine power (360BHP) in the hands of an owner on trackdays.

And an EVO with similar power, R888's doing 1:21, so to achieve 1:19 it will need more power.

DG's claims seem un-proven that a EVO/Scoob is quicker than an M3 then which has had basic modifications, coilovers and brakes. I don't understand why he can't just post us up the link? Other people can manage it easily.


P.S. Tony answered your question about tyre wear in race series, he says the M3 manages tyres better. Shall post his in depth reply up later, I find that quite surprising really, but I supposed someone who as actually raced in Britcar knows far better than us internet experts. :)
 
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Guys

Safety question, first check this out:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifi...ng-e46-m3-track-car/2096725?isexperiment=true

In that advert they have fitted a reat strut brace and mounted the harnesses to it. See the advert images.

That strikes me like it might not be safe simply as a strut brace might not be strong enough but its just mounted with bolts to the top mounts I imagine, not welding. Anyones thoughts on that is it OK or a bad idea?
 
okay start with a teaser of a 450bhp scooby doing 1:19 :D


no that isnt the one ! ill look for link might post it later.
 
Gibbo said:
Guys

That strikes me like it might not be safe simply as a strut brace might not be strong enough but its just mounted with bolts to the top mounts I imagine, not welding. Anyones thoughts on that is it OK or a bad idea?
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Personally I'd like a belt that clips to lugs welded into place, or that laps around a lateral cage bar behind the seat.

I'm not up on RAC regs at the moment but the last I knew was that you could tie in to any structural part of the car so long as the belts have a clear path from mount to seat. For track day use I've not heard of any scrutineer query tying belt mounts into a strut brace. Again, if any incident is big enough to dislodge a bolted in strut brace, I'd probably argue that you might after that point not reap any benefit nor penalty as the lap strap mounts, (and crotch mount if you have 5pt+) should still be working?
 
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