I've had this discussion already with someone else who wasn't able to see the difference, can you also not see the difference?
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I've had this discussion already with someone else who wasn't able to see the difference, can you also not see the difference?
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What's the difference, besides the accents?
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Yeh saw that. Crazy cat lady makes a fool of herself essentially.
One is protesting actual events that take place or will take place. The other is people deliberately obstructing the very people they're trying to garner support from and alienating them in the process.
And yes, I do think that the latest round of "protesting" in France is ridiculous and I wholeheartedly exclude it from my comparison.
Those criticising Just Stop (New) Oil should read this:
www.theguardian.com
and this:
www.theguardian.com
Disruptive protest helps rather than hinders activists’ cause, experts say
Results contradict public view that disrupting events such as Wimbledon and Pride achieves nothing
www.theguardian.com
and this:
With our food systems on the verge of collapse, it’s the plutocrats v life on Earth | George Monbiot
Climate breakdown and crop losses threaten our survival, but the ultra-rich find ever more creative ways to maintain the status quo, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot
www.theguardian.com
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So if you're taking too long at a checkout in a supermarket, it's okay for somebody to punch you because you're holding up their day ? Because that's where this kind of behaviour leads to
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I look forward to reading about your day in court.
What a load of tosh.
Those criticising Just Stop (New) Oil should read this:
Disruptive protest helps rather than hinders activists’ cause, experts say
Results contradict public view that disrupting events such as Wimbledon and Pride achieves nothing
and this:
With our food systems on the verge of collapse, it’s the plutocrats v life on Earth | George Monbiot
Climate breakdown and crop losses threaten our survival, but the ultra-rich find ever more creative ways to maintain the status quo, says Guardian columnist George Monbiot
So more Guardian opinion pieces, just as bad as the Sun but opposite end of the scale.
Bit of a leap isn't it?
I went from thinking these protest were pretty dumb to absolutely loving how much they're ******* people off. We're smashing temperature records day after day and gammons are crying their entertainment was interrupted for a couple of minutes 
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I went from thinking these protest were pretty dumb to absolutely loving how much they're ******* people off. We're smashing temperature records day after day and gammons are crying their entertainment was interrupted for a couple of minutes
It would be nice if that was the only problem with these protests... and they are going to achieve precisely nothing towards climate change if anything possibly work somewhat against efforts to raise awareness as those campaigning along more useful lines are going to risk being clumped in with them, etc.
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How is it any different to your day being held up because you're in a car ? You either advocate violence or you don't you don't get to cherry pick from your arse what inconveniences allow for violence and what don't
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Agree with what you've said but a lorry driver on a 13 hour shift and running out of driving hours with the delay making the difference between getting home to their bed or having to make do somewhere for the night is going to see a queue of cars because it is busy or whatever very differently to people like this holding them up and while I don't condone it I can see why they'll increasingly see red if they are encountering it very often, and that is just one example.
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There's an article literally 2 comments up arguing their protests are helping the cause. Scientists have been going on and on about climate change for decades and people still don't care, of course people are going to start taking more 'extreme' measures.
So what exactly are the other problems with these protests other than they mildly inconvinece a small number of people.
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There is quite a lot of nuance to that article and it does kind of try to spin an underlying point which doesn't necessarily work indiscriminately and IMO isn't working here as nearly every instance where they've come up in conversation any climate aspects haven't been a feature of the discussion with people largely unsure of what they are actually protesting about.
Previous protests have disrupted emergency vehicles and caused, unnecessarily, situations with a high risk of danger to the general public amongst other problems, though fortunately they seem to be moving away from those style of protests currently towards higher profile disruption against entertainment, etc.
These are experts, they are not random or without merit. I wish people would direct all this anger at the people who are really betraying us: the governments and big corporations.
It seems people want a crisis equal to COVID x 100 because that's what will happen if we don't deal with this properly beforehand and keep letting our politicians break their promises on the climate and pollution.
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It's not even remotely relevant, shopping is something every single person on the face of the planet has to do, sitting in a road inconveniencing others is something not a single person on the face of the planet has to do.