"Just stop oil"

Hades said:
Well something has to change because this country has gone utterly down the pan lately. Being soft on people appears to have had completely the wrong effect.
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We've built a society without consequences, so people just do whatever they want. From all the way at the top (lockdown parties, dodgy PPE deals etc) all the way to the bottom where crime is on the rise, there are no consequences. A society without consequences isn't sustainable.
 
Diddums said:
Peoples' patience is running out, and deservedly so. As the Dutch very eloquently say:

"Those who won't listen, will feel"
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You'd probably find that a lot of the protestors like this saying, they feel people haven't listened, their patience has run out, so now they're trying to make people pay attention through 'feeling' the effects of their protests.
 
ltron said:
I wish people would direct all this anger at the people who are really betraying us: the governments and big corporations.
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Yes, the big oil companies knew over 40 years ago that their products were likely to cause catastrophic global warming in the future, but they covered it up, funded PR campaigns to discredit environmentalists and expanded their businesses. Governments around the world have been shockingly slow to roll-out renewable energy, deliver alternative transportation systems and make plans to restrict fossil fuel usage. Obviously, the fossil fuel lobby has a seat at the highest tables of all our governments and has used them well.

ltron said:
It seems people want a crisis equal to COVID x 100 because that's what will happen if we don't deal with this properly beforehand and keep letting our politicians break their promises on the climate and pollution.
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Indeed. There is little you as an individual can do when you have to operate in a flawed system. For example, they used to have sensible mandated feed-in tariffs for domestic solar panels but those were scrapped by the government. Higher insulation standards in new-build properties and planning permission for on-shore wind turbines were also scrapped by David Cameron. You also still have to pay 20% VAT when you buy insulation to improve your home's heat retaining properties if you are doing it DIY style. (You only get it at the 0% VAT rate if you can afford a registered installer to install it or you qualify for a grant.) The same goes for solar panels and suitable batteries. Basically, you have to either be wealthy to get the VAT reduction or be on benefits. All that sort of stuff would be VAT free at the point-of-purchase if the government was serious about reducing our energy usage.

The mainstream media don't help either. They all still glamourise travelling and high-performance car ownership. For example; "The Travel Show", "Top Gear" and "The Grand Tour" etc. Surely, the media could produce TV programmes encouraging people to ditch their cars for short journeys and take up cycling, make their own ebikes, build their own sailing boat, learn to sail/go on sailing holidays instead of flying abroad etc, but no, they make absolutely nothing like that.
 
Kenai said:
You'd probably find that a lot of the protestors like this saying, they feel people haven't listened, their patience has run out, so now they're trying to make people pay attention through 'feeling' the effects of their protests.
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Good point. Doesn't justify them obstructing the average Joe going about his business though. Take it to those who can implement change.
 
This thread just shows how we're never going to make any progress. Some people are fine with being jerks to other people if they think their cause is just. I don't want to hear any more from them, so ppl are getting ignored now. Internet is enough of a cesspit, can't we just have one forum without extreme politics?
 
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throwaway4372 said:
Some people are fine with being jerks to other people if they think their cause is just.
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Irony considering you literally think it's acceptable to assault those jerks, because you think your cause is just

Where do you draw the line on allowing people to assault others ? All protestors ? just those that block roads ? Can we assault people going on strike because it causes us inconvenience and a strike is a protest ? Vigilante Justice now fine ? Who are YOU to have the authority on where violence is acceptable ? Are you R Pickering ?
 
Diddums said:
A society without consequences isn't sustainable.
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That's hyperbole, we do have a society with consequences which is why people aren't physically attacking the protesters, despite the violent sentiment from the likes of your good self - it's actually a bit hypocritical to condone violence towards peaceful protesters yet bemoan a perceived increasingly lawless society.

They have a right to protest just as everyone else, and as long as they keep within the law then it is what it is.
 
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Minusorange said:
Irony considering you literally think it's acceptable to assault those jerks, because you think your cause is just

Where do you draw the line on allowing people to assault others ? All protestors ? just those that block roads ? Can we assault people going on strike because it causes us inconvenience and a strike is a protest ? Vigilante Justice now fine ? Who are YOU to have the authority on where violence is acceptable ? Are you R Pickering ?
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Whenever someone deliberately obstructs others for no tangible reason.
Yes.
No, all of them.
No, again not even remotely relevant.
Needs must.
No.
 
Dirk Diggler said:
That's hyperbole, we do have a society with consequences which is why people aren't physically attacking the protesters, despite the violent sentiment from the likes of your good self - it's actually a bit hypocritical to condone violence towards peaceful protesters yet bemoan a perceived increasingly lawless society.

They have a right to protest just as everyone else, and as long as they keep within the law then it is what it is.
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Well said too. Just take it to those who can actually affect change.
 
Dirk Diggler said:
They have a right to protest just as everyone else, and as long as they keep within the law then it is what it is.
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They aren't keeping it within the law. Why aren't they removed by the police? These people aren't experiencing any consequences.

Highways Act 1980

An Act to consolidate the Highways Acts 1959 to 1971 and related enactments, with amendments to give effect to recommendations of the Law Commission.
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(1)If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to [F1imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or] a fine [F2or both].
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Diddums said:
Whenever someone deliberately obstructs others for no tangible reason.
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Just because somebody is being a jerk, doesn't mean you can assault them, just because you draw an arbitrary line at what level of jerkiness is acceptable for violence

Also as you say "no tangible reason" they've stated their reason, they want people to stop using fossil fuels and save the liveable climate from being made unliveable, they're not standing in the road obstructing traffic for no reason at all and again I'll ask, who do you think you are to be an authority on where the arbitrary line is for what cause is worthy for being a jerk and what is not ?

You are however welcome to go and make a counter protest, or you can go and assault them and see how far that gets you but I imagine you're just all talk and prefer others to do the violence because you value your freedom more, but not that of others obviously

I might not agree with their methods, but in no way is it acceptable to advocate violence against them
 
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Minusorange said:
Just because somebody is being a jerk, doesn't mean you can assault them, just because you draw an arbitrary line at what level of jerkiness is acceptable for violence

Also as you say "no tangible reason" they've stated their reason, they want people to stop using fossil fuels and save the liveable climate from being made unliveable, they're not standing in the road obstructing traffic for no reason at all and again I'll ask, who do you think you are to be an authority on where the arbitrary line is for what cause is worthy for being a jerk and what is not ?

You are however welcome to go and make a counter protest, or you can go and assault them and see how far that gets you but I imagine you're just all talk and prefer others to do the violence because you value your freedom more, but not that of others obviously
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Oh you're bang on the money, I'm all internet talk. I can't even enter a supermarket through an exit only door because I'm scared of getting arrested.
 
Minusorange said:
Just because somebody is being a jerk, doesn't mean you can assault them, just because you draw an arbitrary line at what level of jerkiness is acceptable for violence
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Sometimes it probably should though. Yes it’s a slippery slope, ideally avoided, but physical intervention can be amazingly effective at resolving scumbagery.

Sometimes even eradicating unacceptable behaviour and being rehabilitating to its sufferers.
 
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Minusorange said:
Looking forward to your video of you assaulting the JSO protestors then :rolleyes:

Suggest the mods should rename you Ronald Pickering
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Oh lighten up princess, you don't think I'm going to actually assault anyone do you? I've properly assimilated in to British culture, I'll have a massive moan and then when push comes to shove I'll cross my arms and tut.
 
Diddums said:
you don't think I'm going to actually assault anyone do you?
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No I'm just calling you out on your bs, if you start to normalise violence against certain protests, it begins to spiral into all protests, then other inconveniences like strikes, like where do you draw the line ? All protests by their nature are about making an inconvenience, same with strikes, there's a reason Gatwick is striking at peak summer holiday time and not during term time in winter, should those inconvenienced with their holidays resort to violence ?

www.rferl.org

Iran 'Ruthlessly' Suppressing Protests, Amnesty Says

Iran is intentionally using lethal force to crack down on protests that erupted after the death of Mahsa Amini, Amnesty International said September 30, calling for international action to prevent the killing or detention of even more people.
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I guess Iran was justified in murdering protestors because they caused an inconvenience, we should definitely do that here right ?
 
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