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bigmike20vt said:
dont different prisons have different types of offenders? (or at least on different wings)

i dont see the point in putting a tax dodger for instance in the same cell block as someone like Charles Bronsen

perhaps i am a hypocrite and whilst it isnt ideal, i would worry less about 2 psychotic killers having a punchup than i would someone who actually still has a chance of being reformed after doing a petty crime.
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They do, she won’t get put in Belmarsh in a cell with a Myra Hindley type, but if she starts peeing off lags with her brainwashed bs, then you can guess what’ll happen.
There’s a lot of bullies in prison and she must weigh 6 stone wet through, and would have zero chance of defending herself.
Like I said, if you can’t do the time..
 
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lordrobs said:
If that means the process has to stall while those concerns are looked into then so be it.
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Yes, indeed.
Although the new gov has green lit 3 gigantic solar farms within minutes of the keys to number 10.
I doubt they care one jot about residents feelings.
lordrobs said:
To quote Rachel Reeves that decisions on onshore wind should be made "nationally, not locally" has the potential to upset a lot of people who want to preserve the area that they live in... or NIMBYs if you like.
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Yes.
 
lordrobs said:
To be fair onshore wind is quite intrusive both visually and audibly. It also isn't the only solution to the problem so I think it is right that people are able to raise concerns. If that means the process has to stall while those concerns are looked into then so be it.

To quote Rachel Reeves that decisions on onshore wind should be made "nationally, not locally" has the potential to upset a lot of people who want to preserve the area that they live in... or NIMBYs if you like.
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my parents live fairly close to a windfarm, and a friend has a house very close to it, so personally i disagree with both of those things.
its not like they will be putting a turbine in your back garden, they will be in fields, or, otherwise none residential areas. i dont expect one to appear literally in your back yard despite the name NIMBY. i would have zero issue having a few built in my town despite it being quite picturesque. they have to go somewhere at the end of the day.

as for not the only solution to the problem.............. for the British isles i suspect wind will be the vehicle expected to carry the lions share of the renewable solution, followed by solar.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
if this is true and you are not just joking............ (i dont personally know many who have been inside thankfully) then that is shameful.

I mean prisons should be punishment (as well as rehabilitation). they should not have a lot of the luxuries which we take for granted...... but at the same time prisioners should be safe and kept in an healthy environment. if it is true that they face assault - sexual or otherwise - then that would be horrendous and is not something to joke about really esp for what is a pretty tame crime.....
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Sorry Mike but you live in cloud cuckooland if you think prisons are hotels. They're horrible, nasty, hateful places, and that's all wings. From the got-drunk-and-ended-up-in-a-bar-fight wing to the I-murdered-an-entire-family wing.
 
Diddums said:
Sorry Mike but you live in cloud cuckooland if you think prisons are hotels. They're horrible, nasty, hateful places, and that's all wings. From the got-drunk-and-ended-up-in-a-bar-fight wing to the I-murdered-an-entire-family wing.
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note i am not naive enough to think they are hotels...... but they should be safe enough to not be at risk of being sexually assaulted.... (they certainly cost the tax payer a truck load to run!) surely you can agree with that, and if it isnt the case then it really should be something which needs to be reported and cleaned up?

anyway i guess i have derailed enough for this thread so.....................
 
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bigmike20vt said:
note i am not naive enough to think they are hotels...... but they should be safe enough to not be at risk of being sexually assaulted.... (they certainly cost the tax payer a truck load to run!) surely you can agree with that, and if it isnt the case then it really should be something which needs to be reported and cleaned up?

anyway i guess i have derailed enough for this thread so.....................
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People end up being in prison for a reason, if you think they're all suddenly going to behave themselves then you are very, very wrong I'm afraid.
 
Diddums said:
People end up being in prison for a reason, if you think they're all suddenly going to behave themselves then you are very, very wrong I'm afraid.
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TBH your experience of HMP Belmarsh isn't totally indicative of the prison system with it being a Cat A, I would imagine the men will serve in Cat C's or locals, however there is no categorization for female prisons currently so apart from high threat prisoners who would maybe in the Seg the women are free to mix to a certain degree, wonder if any of them will object to the use of petroleum jelly ;)
 
Diddums said:
People end up being in prison for a reason, if you think they're all suddenly going to behave themselves then you are very, very wrong I'm afraid.
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I was working in a Juvenile Prison for 6 months in 2007 and on my first day I saw a lad push a radio aerial into another lads face.
I came in one day and asked where my favourite pupil was only to be told he was brutally raped, the other lads took pleasure in telling me why he deserved it :(
There was loads more incidents in my 6 months.
 
bigmike20vt said:
my parents live fairly close to a windfarm, and a friend has a house very close to it, so personally i disagree with both of those things.
its not like they will be putting a turbine in your back garden, they will be in fields, or, otherwise none residential areas. i dont expect one to appear literally in your back yard despite the name NIMBY. i would have zero issue having a few built in my town despite it being quite picturesque. they have to go somewhere at the end of the day.

as for not the only solution to the problem.............. for the British isles i suspect wind will be the vehicle expected to carry the lions share of the renewable solution, followed by solar.
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Personally I prefer to see the countryside without massive wind turbines dotted all over it. Then again I also like to see the countryside without massive pylons strung together.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be any onshore wind, I'm saying that locals should absolutely have the right to have a say. I also think it's dangerous for Westminster to have carte blanche on their implementation around the UK.

Offshore wind offers a far less controversial alternative but is more costly to implement.
 
Offshore is more expensive than onshore.

You can generally put bigger turbines offshore but they are more expensive to build and maintain and it translates to a higher £/mwh.

As someone that lives in the East of England, I can confirm that offshore still triggers a massive reaction from the NIMBYs. It’s not just the turbines in the horizon, it’s also all the corresponding infrastructure needed onshore.

New nuclear plants, solar farms, incinerators, roads, houses and basically the building of almost anything else also trigger them. They also hate expensive electricity, expensive houses, a lack of houses, traffic and a lack of services generally.

Does anyone see the problem here?
 
lordrobs said:
Personally I prefer to see the countryside without massive wind turbines dotted all over it. Then again I also like to see the countryside without massive pylons strung together.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be any onshore wind, I'm saying that locals should absolutely have the right to have a say. I also think it's dangerous for Westminster to have carte blanche on their implementation around the UK.

Offshore wind offers a far less controversial alternative but is more costly to implement.
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We should be building tidal generators instead. Unlike wind or sun, the tides won't stop and we are surrounded by sea. It also requires a lot less maintenance than millions of turbines, which only have a short lifespan.
 
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Nasher said:
We should be building tidal generators instead. Unlike wind or sun, the tides won't stop and we are surrounded by sea. It also requires a lot less maintenance than millions of turbines, which only have a short lifespan.
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We are, they are highly experimental and quite expensive. Tidal power is not trivial because you know, salt water pretty much destroys any machine out in it. They also only work in very specific areas of the coast with high tidal flows.

Roses are also variable both through their cycle and from day to day. They stop generating completely twice per day but they are predictable though.

Wind turbines also don’t have ‘short lifespans’. The irony of suggesting building tidal turbines because wind turbines have a short lifespan. It’s a shame there isn’t a face palm emoji here.

Sure you can build tidal lagoons like the one which was proposed in Swansea but again they only work in places which exceptionally high tidal ranges (different to flows) and it’s not like diverting a river estuary doesn’t have any wider impacts. It’s also unproven so it would be a complete stab in the dark and definitely not cheap.
 
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We are, they are highly experimental and quite expensive. Tidal power is not trivial because you know, salt water pretty much destroys any machine out in it. They also only work in very specific areas of the coast with high tidal flows.

Roses are also variable both through their cycle and from day to day. They stop generating completely twice per day but they are predictable though.

Wind turbines also don’t have ‘short lifespans’. The irony of suggesting building tidal turbines because wind turbines have a short lifespan. It’s a shame there isn’t a face palm emoji here.

Sure you can build tidal lagoons like the one which was proposed in Swansea but again they only work in places which exceptionally high tidal ranges (different to flows) and it’s not like diverting a river estuary doesn’t have any wider impacts. It’s also unproven so it would be a complete stab in the dark and definitely not cheap.
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Yea they do have a short lifespan, only something like 15-20 years and they are out at sea so salt will get to them too. They also require a maintenance teams to be out at sea all the time (in oil powered ships ofc). They are horrendously expensive to run.
 
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Nasher said:
Yea they do have a short lifespan, only something like 15-20 years and they are out at sea so salt will get to them too. They also require a maintenance teams to be out at sea all the time (in oil powered ships ofc). They are horrendously expensive to run.
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You couldn’t be more wrong (which isn’t anything new to be clear).

Wind turbines, onshore, followed by offshore is the cheapest form of electricity to build AND operate.

If they are ‘horrendously expensive to run’ what does that make coal, gas and nuclear power stations?
 
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