"Just stop oil"

I always see people say “they are turning people against their cause“

Is the average person really so stupid that they will suddenly go from caring about saving the planet to not caring about it simply because some trust fund kids did a few annoying protests ?

edit: the answers probably “yes” isn’t it lol
 
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Thank god I am off today as there would have been a high chance I would have been delivering south of the river. That would have been a 15 hour day easy.

RobDogDog said:
Aren't they just very marginally increasing what they're trying to protest against?

The police will have to drive over as will some workman to clear up the mess using fuel that they otherwise might not have (for the Aston Martin nutter)? Same with when people have to get diverted having to drive longer distances?
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There is no such thing as a diversion when the QE2 is closed. London comes to a standstill.
 
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imtoooldforthis said:
I always see people say “they are turning people against their cause“

Is the average person really so stupid that they will suddenly go from caring about saving the planet to not caring about it simply because some trust fund kids did a few annoying protests ?

edit: the answers probably “yes” isn’t it lol
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Big yes from me, unless governments grasp the nettle and make reduction or ideally reversal of global and national level population growth I am not wasting my time filling umpteen bins with different sorts of rubbish or having the place in darkness and like an iceberg. 1000 plus illegal but supported arrivals by dinghy a day to feed and heat, and people expect the rightful citizens of the UK cut their living standards? Jog on....
 
Chris Wilson said:
Big yes from me, unless governments grasp the nettle and make reduction or ideally reversal of global and national level population growth I am not wasting my time filling umpteen bins with different sorts of rubbish or having the place in darkness and like an iceberg. 1000 plus illegal but supported arrivals by dinghy a day to feed and heat, and people expect the rightful citizens of the UK cut their living standards? Jog on....
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What has any of that got to do with some kids changing someone’s entire attitude towards climate change etc because they inconvenienced the public a few times ?

Seems like you already had a “**** it” attitude it long before they started protesting.

Your ability to wedge in a rant against immigrants into just about any conversation remains impressive btw
 
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Chris Wilson said:
Big yes from me, unless governments grasp the nettle and make reduction or ideally reversal of global and national level population growth I am not wasting my time filling umpteen bins with different sorts of rubbish or having the place in darkness and like an iceberg. 1000 plus illegal but supported arrivals by dinghy a day to feed and heat, and people expect the rightful citizens of the UK cut their living standards? Jog on....
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It is crazy but the fact that always stays with me is that since the Queens coronation the world population has trebled. No amount of living clean is going to reverse climate change compared to birth control. It will never change whilst our whole western lifestyle is a massive pyramid scheme.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
The girl has got a weird way of thinking, she actually admires Sir Tom and what he stood for and she goes on to say that Tom would support this because every time a Private Jet flies you might as well be pouring excrement all over him so that's what she's doing.
Of course people only see what she has done and not why she has done what she's done.
Yes, it was a very bad idea.
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Stupid idea, awful optics to get people onside.......... but I *can* see why she did it and fully believe she was not trying to be disrespectful - quite the opposite as the point she was making is that that is what we are doing.
hope she gets some sort of grafitti cleaning community service but equally dont think she is a bad person for what she did.... just a bit messed up. It is the same with (most of) the extinction rebellion lot.

I champion (some of) their ideals, but their methods are self destructive.
 
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bigmike20vt said:
Stupid idea, awful optics to get people onside.......... but I *can* see why she did it and fully believe she was not trying to be disrespectful - quite the opposite as the point she was making is that that is what we are doing.
hope she gets some sort of grafitti cleaning community service but equally dont think she is a bad person for what she did.... just a bit messed up. It is the same with (most of) the extinction rebellion lot.

I champion their ideals, but their methods are self destructive.
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So you are up for completely stopping all petroleum based products?
Seems logical.
 
I haven't got a problem with people protesting, controlled with no violence but at times of piece when we are fighting no wars and things are comfortable. Stupid people start doing stupid things, this is a clear example.

Same with people pouring milk on the floor in supermarkets. Clearly havent got anything else going on in their lives.
 
sidimmu said:
So you are up for completely stopping all petroleum based products?
Seems logical.
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no of course not, she has gone way to far. but oil is a precious material and should be treated as such, not just burned when there are alternatives. As usual with these things people take it to the extreme. But equally climate change deniers are equally deluded and unfortunately they are the ones with the power.

but your response proves my point about them being self defeating. You cant have a sensible debate once you go off on the deep end. You just make it too easy for other people to discredit you and then ultimately do absolutely nothing, when in fact imo we do as a planet need to make changes to how we live imo. Exactly how much, i do not know, but i do know the longer we leave it and do next to nothing the more brutal ultimately any changes we have to make will become.
 
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malachi said:
When we are fighting no wars and things are comfortable. Stupid people start doing stupid things, this is a clear example.
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This could cover a huge number of the current "issues" in todays society. When there is so little to genuinely struggle against you start moving down the list. The outrage or offence level never drops, its just the seriousness of the issue you go nuts about that does. We are near the bottom now where someone saying something mean online is a hate crime and people genuinely think its the most horrible thing in the world if someone uses the wrong pronoun.

Global warming will never be addressed until its causing all out war. There is far too much money to lose if you go green and other countries don't. It also makes **** all difference if the UK went green tomorrow when the US, China, Australia etc are all doing their rank best to wreck the planet and have a much bigger stick to do it. When thats the case, you won't find the UK going hard on it. There needs to be a global agreement on this.

You will never get massive buy-in with changes that negatively impact a population when they look across the pond and see Americans not giving a single ****.
 
sidimmu said:
So you are up for completely stopping all petroleum based products?
Seems logical.
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"Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK."
 
bigmike20vt said:
no of course not, she has gone way to far. but oil is a precious material and should be treated as such, not just burned when there are alternatives. As usual with these things people take it to the extreme. But equally climate change deniers are equally deluded and unfortunately they are the ones with the power.
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yeah agreed gone way too far.
explicit4u said:
"Just Stop Oil is a coalition of groups working together to ensure that the government commits to ending all new licenses and consents for the exploration, development and production of fossil fuels in the UK."
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Thats great for their tag line, I doubt thats actually the case though, as once they stop all new efforts, they'll go after existing ones too.
Hell half the things they try to disrupt here are existing infrastructure, products and things we cannot naturally move away from.
Members views and protest action does not align with that description of the cause.
 
fez said:
Global warming will never be addressed until its causing all out war. There is far too much money to lose if you go green and other countries don't. It also makes **** all difference if the UK went green tomorrow when the US, China, Australia etc are all doing their rank best to wreck the planet and have a much bigger stick to do it. When thats the case, you won't find the UK going hard on it. There needs to be a global agreement on this.

You will never get massive buy-in with changes that negatively impact a population when they look across the pond and see Americans not giving a single ****.
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But that is the stupid thing about going green.... green energy is CHEAPER than gas.... admittedly the start up costs of nuclear is pricey, and wind/solar alone cant do everything as it is too unpredicatable.

but wind/solar can do a hell of a lot more than it is doing currently. The fact that new build houses for instance still are no where near the efficiency that they could be is mindboggling all to save a few grand on the construction costs, at a point where it is ultimately a small percentage of the purchase price.
 
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fez said:
This could cover a huge number of the current "issues" in todays society. When there is so little to genuinely struggle against you start moving down the list. The outrage or offence level never drops, its just the seriousness of the issue you go nuts about that does. We are near the bottom now where someone saying something mean online is a hate crime and people genuinely think its the most horrible thing in the world if someone uses the wrong pronoun.

Global warming will never be addressed until its causing all out war. There is far too much money to lose if you go green and other countries don't. It also makes **** all difference if the UK went green tomorrow when the US, China, Australia etc are all doing their rank best to wreck the planet and have a much bigger stick to do it. When thats the case, you won't find the UK going hard on it. There needs to be a global agreement on this.

You will never get massive buy-in with changes that negatively impact a population when they look across the pond and see Americans not giving a single ****.
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Their argument to this is that the UK is a world leader and if we set an example the rest will follow, they clearly didnt get the memo that the UK isnt a world leader anymore and hasnt been for a long time
 
It'll be interesting when the situation happens that one of these protesters gets punched in the face by a motorist.

Are the cops really going to try and charge the person for enforcing the road traffic act? If they do then it'll be a PR disaster for them.
 
Tombstone said:
Their argument to this is that the UK is a world leader and if we set an example the rest will follow, they clearly didnt get the memo that the UK isnt a world leader anymore and hasnt been for a long time
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we do well with offshore wind. Scotland is (or was last time i looked) world leading when it comes to developing tidal & wave power and are pretty good with wind generation as well.
We should be doing better however. am not even sure it is NIMBYism as from what i understand most people are not even against onshore wind. i certainly would have no problem having a couple of windmills at the top of the hill our town is on - if it was a good location.
 
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