"Just stop oil"

[Felon]

Yep, I would have had more respect for her if she tipped it over the steps of a big oil company or something that was in opposition to the movement. For her to desecrate a memorial to a elderly, decorated veteran that spent the last year of his life to raise money during a pandemic i would say does more harm to their cause than help.

All I see, is a 21 year old who hasn't really that much experience of life, hasn't gone through any real hardship or had to make any tough decisions, spend far too much time on social media - to finally get caught up in what she thinks is a worthy cause, and go totally over the top.

I can see she/they picked Tom Moore simply to be as egregious as possible and get the headlines etc, but ultimately all she's done is commit and act of vandalism and desecration - nothing more or less.

She'll realise one day, that she was just being a tool.

 

[Devilman]

All I see, is a 21 year old who hasn't really that much experience of life, hasn't gone through any real hardship or had to make any tough decisions, spend far too much time on social media - to finally get caught up in what she thinks is a worthy cause, and go totally over the top.

I can see she/they picked Tom Moore simply to be as egregious as possible and get the headlines etc, but ultimately all she's done is commit and act of vandalism and desecration - nothing more or less.

She'll realise one day, that she was just being a tool.

While I do not agree with her actions, I think it's a little bit much to be making all those presumptions about someone you have never met, or know anything of their life?

Unless you know them personally or have access to their backstory, you literally have NO CLUE what kind of "hardships" they may or may not have suffered during their life.

 

[m4rmite]

While I do not agree with her actions, I think it's a little bit much to be making all those presumptions about someone you have never met, or know anything of their life?

Unless you know them personally or have access to their backstory, you literally have NO CLUE what kind of "hardships" they may or may not have suffered during their life.

You mean like fighting in WW2 at the same age?

 

[Devilman]

You mean like fighting in WW2 at the same age?

I wasn't aware that we were in a game of "my hardship was worse than yours".

Your comment still has 0 relevance to the fact that the poster above was making some pretty huge assumptions about someone they have 0 knowledge of.

But then it's always easier to just paint someone as a feckless child with 0 experience and a cushy upbringing, because that makes them so much easier to hate, right?

*Edit* Just to be clear, I in no way condone her actions or the target of her actions, it was stupid, ineffective and disrespectful to a great man.

 

[Hodders]

The world population has trebled in the last 70 years. That is more of a worry than using oil. That is what they should be protesting. No form of clean living will even make up for that. Population has been below 2 billion for 10,000 years. It has quadrupled in 100 years. That is what is frightening.

Great graphic.

It's almost as though we need a new sort of global economy that doesn't rely on endless capitalism and growth. Can you think of any natural situation where *endless* growth is "good". It's almost as though the planet has got metatastic "human-cancer".

If we could persuade the next 3 generations to have 1 child per couple we would get our 8 billion down to just 1 billion in about 80 years.

There is no major problem facing the world that wouldn't be easier to solve if the population were smaller.

 

[Uther]

Have you glued yourself to a road yet @Hodders? And if not, why not?

 

[m4rmite]

I wasn't aware that we were in a game of "my hardship was worse than yours".

Your comment still has 0 relevance to the fact that the poster above was making some pretty huge assumptions about someone they have 0 knowledge of.

But then it's always easier to just paint someone as a feckless child with 0 experience and a cushy upbringing, because that makes them so much easier to hate, right?

*Edit* Just to be clear, I in no way condone her actions or the target of her actions, it was stupid, ineffective and disrespectful to a great man.

Sadly they always seem to turn out to be just that.
It's an entitled world nowadays but only to the ones who have contributed the least.

Wow betide anyone else have an opinion.

 

[ZXSpectrum]

Why don’t the police police arrive at these individuals blocking the road and put up big tents round them setup some cones and direct traffic round them? They want attention from the media so shield them from it so the reporters can’t give them that or their PR people can’t take photos/videos, no interviews etc, same with the ones at art galleries setup some partitions round them and the area closed off till they can get them arrested and taken away. Surely that is a non violent, none antagonistic approach.

 

[bigmike20vt]

Great graphic.

It's almost as though we need a new sort of global economy that doesn't rely on endless capitalism and growth. Can you think of any natural situation where *endless* growth is "good". It's almost as though the planet has got metatastic "human-cancer".

If we could persuade the next 3 generations to have 1 child per couple we would get our 8 billion down to just 1 billion in about 80 years.

There is no major problem facing the world that wouldn't be easier to solve if the population were smaller.

even a max of 2 children would be ok . not everyone has 2 kids so the population drop would likely be controllable economically as well as ecologically. of course at the same time we should still be using greener fuels because they are economical and ecological as well. no pooh pouring over celebrities or hand gluing to roads needed. of course the "don't touch my human rights " people would likely be campaigning then as well ... some of which will likely be the same people currently causing agro (not all of course but some people just like to cause trouble)

I dare say we don't need to cut down to 1 billion. I am confident even cuting back to 3 would be fine, and sustainable , so long as done uniformly.
policing that would would be fun however

what was the name of the woman back in the 80s who was giving men in a famine area extra food if they had the snip. didn't go down well (I hope I didn't just make that up out of some fictional book unread )

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

According to that graphic I am a Low Carbon God. No kids (so 2 x that saving against average every year?), never owned a car, I recycle, hang dry my clothes, and use low energy bulbs. I tried to go green energy last year but was told not to change by the supplier I wanted to go to. Plus my grey bin has only been out three times this year. Can't wash lower than 40c, though, because I'm a mucky pup.

 

[sidimmu]

I agree, reasonable force is key. Encouragement is always better. Put a big tax on plastic packaging then you won't have anything to recycle as you'll be re-using packaging.
The government will listen to those that have the most money. At the moment it's the oil lobby, not the environmentalists. They need to be heard, you can't deny that closing the QE-II bridge did that.

I wish protest could be non-intrusive. The Green party got 2.7% of the vote in the last election that should have resulted in nearly 20 MPs and a real voice. But we ended up with a single Green MP. If voting doesn't work how else do we achieve change at a national government level. Look up carbon-tax as a source of UBI and renewable funding, there are better ways forward.

We are not going to be able to simply all have air-con and star-trek food synthesisers.

again thanks for confirming that you guys will attack every Tom, Jane and Dave and not go after the real people who can make changes.
Also, ignore half the issues and go focusing on the voting system, thats not why we are here discussing this, its about trying to stop them giving out more licenses, so what is it?

My definition of reasonable force will differ to yours, who is to say the protestors are correct and who is to say, its unreasonable for someone to give them a slap.

 

[sidimmu]

Have you glued yourself to a road yet @Hodders? And if not, why not?

Because he knows the public will start to become truly violent with these protestors eventually.

 

[arknor]

Why don’t the police police arrive at these individuals blocking the road and put up big tents round them setup some cones and direct traffic round them? They want attention from the media so shield them from it so the reporters can’t give them that or their PR people can’t take photos/videos, no interviews etc, same with the ones at art galleries setup some partitions round them and the area closed off till they can get them arrested and taken away. Surely that is a non violent, none antagonistic approach.

lock them up in a mental institution for endangering their own live splaying on a motorway? like the good old days

 

[Uther]

Because he knows the public will start to become truly violent with these protestors eventually.

They'll get in front of the wrong people eventually, and the police won't get there to save them in time.

 

[200sols]

They'll get in front of the wrong people eventually, and the police won't get there to save them in time.

I'm genuinely surprised that it hasn't happened already. The protest is dumb though, insulate Britain was better because it was reasonable end game, just stopping oil isn't.

 

[Uther]

I'm genuinely surprised that it hasn't happened already. The protest is dumb though, insulate Britain was better because it was reasonable end game, just stopping oil isn't.

I wonder if they phone the police first, then stick themselves to the road as they turn up? Otherwise they are relying completely on a van full of strangers not battering them.

 

[Peter75]

The world population has trebled in the last 70 years. That is more of a worry than using oil. That is what they should be protesting. No form of clean living will even make up for that. Population has been below 2 billion for 10,000 years. It has quadrupled in 100 years. That is what is frightening.

Let the culling begin! I say start with a certain group of protesters then go from there or alternatively we go for a "The Purge" type scenario and do it all in one night. Hmm, not sure, so many choices here!

 

[LabR@t]

Great graphic.

It's almost as though we need a new sort of global economy that doesn't rely on endless capitalism and growth. Can you think of any natural situation where *endless* growth is "good". It's almost as though the planet has got metatastic "human-cancer".

If we could persuade the next 3 generations to have 1 child per couple we would get our 8 billion down to just 1 billion in about 80 years.

There is no major problem facing the world that wouldn't be easier to solve if the population were smaller.

Any country that didn't world have an advantage. The best way is hurry up and find a way to leave the planet

 

[labbby]

Police should be respected, but never feared. That is entirely the wrong mindset. You do not police or rule via fear, That is the remit of bullies and dictators.

Of course they should be feared if you are committing a crime. They should be respected when they actually do their job and uphold the law..

 

[GGizmo]

Do the police think by not removing these protestors they are helping their public image?