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do you have the same issue with headphones like the DT770 or on ear momentums?

I prefer headphones to IEMS but obviously you cannot use headphones in the gym, etc without looking like a tool.

When and where do you want to listen to music on a personal device?

Have you tried clip ons like the koss range (KSC75 are £15) they make a lightweight portapro (£30) as well for the money they cannot be beaten they even shame a lot of headphones in the <£100 bracket.

I would say the KS75 are your best bet tbh if you haven't tried them or the portapro both can be easily modded and they don't cost the earth to try.

Stop being self co cause. Headphone in gym is fine.

Mainly outdoor walking, gym, cycling, public transport. a bit of everything. would much prefer wireless.

What do you mean like dt770? As in over ear headphones? Or something specific with the dt770.

Actually I did make a thread the other day.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18664754
 
Stop being self co cause. Headphone in gym is fine.

Mainly outdoor walking, gym, cycling, public transport. a bit of everything. would much prefer wireless.

What do you mean like dt770? As in over ear headphones? Or something specific with the dt770.

Actually I did make a thread the other day.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18664754

Full size headphones in the gym isn't fine they are too big and not really designed for that kind of use only when headphones became a fashion accessory did people start using them in the gym (a la crappy beats). There is no way I could use or even want to use any of my collection in the gym. HD600, Q701, HD558, DT770's.

I also have HD25-1 II's and momentums.

Anyway....

DT770's are very very comfortable headphones, as are anything mid range by sennheiser, hd558/hd598.

Wireless headphones = crap quality or bulky.

If your wanting all rounders then get portpros for £30, don't be fooled by the price they are very very good headphones. If you mod them they are one of the best you can buy for under £100. But if your after something which is comfortable to wear then your looking at DT770's.

You cannot use open headphones in public so the only other option would be some of the sennheiser on ear range like the momentums but they aren't as comfy as DT770's.


You also posted your thread in home cinema section it should have been posted in sound city. You will get much better responses in sound city.
 
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Just had my first kickstarter "investment" fail. Company showed a polished finished product, spent the cash on extra prototypes, price of app development doubled (hadn't even paid for any of that yet, they refused to use foreign developers due to "risk" but got screwed over by a local one instead) and ran out of funds to manufacture the finished product. Offered a 40% refund with nothing to show for it. Nearly £400 lost.
 
Just had my first kickstarter "investment" fail. Company showed a polished finished product, spent the cash on extra prototypes, price of app development doubled (hadn't even paid for any of that yet, they refused to use foreign developers due to "risk" but got screwed over by a local one instead) and ran out of funds to manufacture the finished product. Offered a 40% refund with nothing to show for it. Nearly £400 lost.

That kind of money is a lot to spend on Kickstarter! Doesn't help you now unfortunately.

Not sure I would really want to spend more than £150 on KS.
 
Update here in the spoiler tag:

Hi everyone.

This is unfortunately not going to be an enjoyable update.

We currently have no way to move forward. We are in a situation where the rest of the funds we have left will need to be used to have the smartphone apps completed to make any more progress. In fact the current funds we have left might not even be able to get the app completed on one operating system (i.e. iOS or Android).

How did we get here?

Limited Funding

We received around €60,000 in funding after kickstarters fees were taken off. A few days before our campaign finished on kickstarter, we had to make a hard decision on whether to cancel the kickstarter before the end due to the low amount of funding we had received so far. In fact I personally had already decided to cancel the campaign. Then in the last few days we received a much larger number of backers which forced us to reevaluate the situation. We did some calculations on how much we would require if we changed a few things and we came to around £50,000 but we also would have needed a number of preorders from our website before production started. In the four and a bit months since our kickstarter campaign ended we received many emails and messages telling us our product is awesome that they can’t wait to purchase when it is out, yet we received only a single preorder. This means we have no cash flow whatsoever. We have done everything we can to try and change this but have not succeeded. People are not willing to make preorders.

Increase in Production Costs

Not only do we have no cash flow but also the cost of our products have increased roughly 50% since our kickstarter campaign. These increase in cost has been because of the design problems we had to solve. The products are still completely viable from profit margins etc. but this 50% in cost means an increase of production cost by 50% which is a very large amount of money.

The App

The final nail in coffin was the app development cost. As we do not have an in-house app development team we had to find an external team. We found a highly competent local app development studio who, after reading through our highly detailed app spec doc, agreed that they could probably complete the project for around €20,000. We knew we could get it completed for less by a studio based in India or China but we wanted to reduce our risk to a minimum and guarantee we would receive a stable, well documented, high quality app. After the kickstarter campaign ended we went to the app studio to discuss the app further to find out what there development process would be. After discussing the project again with them, they increased their price to €40,000. There was no way we could have expected such an enormous jump in the cost of the app. After spending some more time refining the app we found that we could get this cost down some more but it would still be outside our budget.

Around this time we found that we could apply for a government grant for €15,000 specifically for technological products. We went through a lengthy, and often very stressful, pre screen process for this but succeed in being sent to the final stage. This process was supposed to take a week but ended up taking a month as the person who was responsible went on holiday for 3 weeks. Then the final stage which was supposed to take 3 weeks in fact took 4 months. They decided to decline us 4 months later because it was a software project (i.e. the cost of the app) and they do not cover software. This is no explicitly stated anywhere and was never told to us, even during the prescreening process.

Where are we now?

All of these things combined have put us in a situation where, to move forward we need a significant amount of extra funding. To be able to move forward and get funding we need the app completed and to get the app completed we need to spend the rest of our funds. I am personally not morally comfortable spending the rest of these funds in the hope that we will find this funding later on. This would not be fair on you, our backers.

We spent the last month reaching out to our biggest competitors to try and make an agreement on them taking over the project and shipping the devices to our backers. Although they were interested in the products and sympathetic to our situation, none had the resources available in the near future to be able to take on a project of this size. We contacted as many people as possible about investment/funding options but without the smartphone app completed, this is not a realistic option right now.

How do we move forward?

We have roughly 40% of the funds left from the project and we will be distributing these funds back to all backers of the devices by percentage based on the amount of backing. We will need your Paypal account address to be able to do this. If we did not do this now, there would be a high chance we would be refunding 0% which is why we have been forced to make this decision now.

We have been in contact with the company Cinetics who have a similar set of motion control products to ours. They have agreed to offer a one time 25% discount to our backers. We will work this out with them over the next couple of weeks. In the mean time, if you would like this discount we will need confirmation from you that we can provide Cinetics with your name.

Spending

We are extremely sorry

I cannot say enough how sorry I am. I know all of you are going to be extremely angry about this. I certainly made some mistakes and misjudgements during the project but not everything was within my control. I personally take any responsibility for the mistakes that were made though. If we had received an amount of funding that was inline with the other similar projects on kickstarter we would not be in this situation right now. I believe there were two main reason for receiving such little funding compared to other similar projects. Firstly our project was based in pounds sterling which means we were cutoff from the US market which is by far the biggest. Unfortunately it seems to be that projects in currencies other than $USD do not receive any where near the same amount of funding. Secondly, the photography/film community are extremely brand loyal and starting out as a small, unknown hardware company is an uphill battle (unfortunately we have likely made this more so now).

I know from experience from kickstarters I have backed, when projects go bad/fail things can get pretty nasty. All I can humbly ask of you is to please not try and ruin my or any of my colleagues lives. At every stage I have made a good faith effort to do what is best for you, the backers. I fully understand this is not an insignificant amount of money that is being discussed. I personally have lost over €100,000 and over 6000 hours of work on this project, and I have put my personal life through extreme hardship. It is soul destroying to have to write this update knowing that even after all of this, I have failed you and I have failed myself.

The Cynic in me is also thinking the same, I thought from the initial campaign they were a lot closer to the finished product than they were letting on (working hardware, firmware done, app in development) but when the campaign finished, all the updates were about new prototypes, improved hardware, features no longer available due to firmware limitations... and no app at all.

Claiming not enough pre-orders was the final end... they had over 10k from their initial target and myself and others would have ordered more parts IF they could have shown some progress. Should just hand the app dev to a foreign developer, get it released and get the product out there, then kickstarter for V2 if they feel more improvements could be made.
 
Same thing happened with a company called Triggertrap, you might of heard of them if your into photography?

Triggertrap failed kickstarter

They tried to make an advanced camera trigger, after the success of their mobile app/hardware version.

I believe a few people have managed to get full refunds, might be worth looking into?
 
I nearly did back that at the time, if that had been kickstarted within the past couple of months I probably would have backed it due to the work I do now.

Exactly the same set of excuses and pretty graph. Hoping for a full refund from the credit card.
 
I like to try and keep to a max spend limit and i thought being £60 down is bad, but thats harsh loosing that much
 
Do you lose money when you buy something? what an odd question.

In my mind you do, you've exchanged money for something of value, you said you haven't lost any money, I'm interested to know if you think the value of whatever you have bought is more than you paid for it.

I could sell all mine and I'd make a profit... :p

Genuine question :) Or is it just another way of extracting money from you, consumerism = modern day slavery
 
In my mind you do, you've exchanged money for something of value, you said you haven't lost any money, I'm interested to know if you think the value of whatever you have bought is more than you paid for it.

Not in 99.9999% of peoples mines, lost money = been conned.

And yes most things on kickstarter are priced below rrp.
Then others you can't really put a value on it. Like the pictures I'll be able to take when the arkyd satellite launches.
 
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