You've obviously never done a stressful job and probably spent the whole of lockdown cowering behind a laptop.
I don't disagree though that WhatsApp should be banned for govt business.
Listening to the covid inquiry
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You've obviously never done a stressful job and probably spent the whole of lockdown cowering behind a laptop.
I don't disagree though that WhatsApp should be banned for govt business.
Soldato
Yes but Labour etc etc.
By what single measure was Johnson anything but the very worst?
I don’t think anyone in the corporate world would consider their work communications to be private. I think it’s wild that so much of our government is run through non-government devices, e-mail addresses and WhatsApp accounts. It’s an invitation for corruption.
Man of Honour
Probably but the Medical Experts wanted us to lockdown as soon as they saw the mess in Italy which was (I think) in February 2020.
That's also when our first two Covid patients arrived in our Infectious Diseases Ward 117.
I'll be honest Alex, I thought he was a Remainer for some reason and switched.
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Yes indeed, Starmer is on record as getting all the big decisions wrong..
- proposing pointless 'fire break' lockdowns
- wanting to join the shambolic EU vaccine scheme
- demanding unnecessary lockdowns for omicron
- pointlessly extending legal measures etc etc
All of which would have costs lives and wrecked the economy further.
Soldato
Thanks for that projection wildly inaccurate though it is! Even if it was true it would make no difference to the absolute balls up Boris made of bottling obvious decisions making utterly inappropriate and colours comments ‘let the bodies pile high’ etc the man was so demonstrably out of his depth that it doesn’t even bare thinking about. Most of the UK knew what decisions he was going to take days/weeks before he finally plucked up the courage!
Soldato
He could easily have been, if he had thought that campaigning to remain was his best route to being PM he would have been out singing the praises of the EU.
His self serving nature is one of his most dangerous characteristics almost on a par with his total inability to make a decision. His standard operating model when ever faced with a difficult decision is to rely and dither until there are only two options left and it is stating obvious which is best, he did it with every major decision during COVID.
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In 20 years time, if there was another pandemic, do you think anyone would give a toss about some fruity text messages or parties in No. 10 - it's all media baiting trivia pouring over salacious gossip and ignoring the real issues.
In the grand scheme of it the UK's response to Covid was middling - mistakes were made in some areas but not others - you need to stop falling for the 'President Boris' trope that we had in the media at the time. The PM is not supposed to be a scientist or an economic genius - advisors advise and ministers decide - but when you have two opposing challenges (health and the economy) there is always going to be disagreement.
Don't forget all the gushing on here about Sturgeon's response and look at how that turned out.
Nothing will come out of this enquiry that will inform a future pandemic..
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bOriS gOt tHe bIg cAlLs rIgHt!
You need to evidence your claims a bit more if you want comprehensive help understanding every way in which you're wrong, but on vaccines, and pending any further detail you can provide, here's some reading:
- "EU leads vaccine marathon after losing sprint - Slow to start, the bloc is now vaccinating at twice the rate of US or UK"
EU leads vaccine marathon after losing sprint
Slow to start, the bloc is now vaccinating at twice the rate of US or UK
www.ft.com
- "Six EU states overtake UK Covid vaccination rates as Britain’s rollout slows"
Six EU states overtake UK Covid vaccination rates as Britain’s rollout slows
Malta, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Denmark and Ireland overtake UK in fully jabbed percentages
www.theguardian.com
- "Slow but steady has seen the EU win out in the vaccine race"
Slow but steady has seen the EU win out in the vaccine race
Ursula von der Leyen says the union’s vaccination programme is now a success after its stumbling start
www.theguardian.com
- "COVID-19: Why has the UK vaccine rollout slowed and which countries have overtaken it?"
COVID-19: Why has the UK vaccine rollout slowed and which countries have overtaken it?
Sky News looks at why the UK vaccine rollout appears to have slowed down in recent weeks.
Does that disabuse you of your misunderstanding about the "shambolic EU vaccine scheme" or do we need to spend more time on it?Were you as confident about your other claims as you were about that one?
bOriS gOt tHe bIg cAlLs rIgHt!
You need to evidence your claims a bit more if you want comprehensive help understanding every way in which you're wrong, but on vaccines, and pending any further detail you can provide, here's some reading:
- "EU leads vaccine marathon after losing sprint - Slow to start, the bloc is now vaccinating at twice the rate of US or UK"
EU leads vaccine marathon after losing sprint
Slow to start, the bloc is now vaccinating at twice the rate of US or UK
- "Six EU states overtake UK Covid vaccination rates as Britain’s rollout slows"
Six EU states overtake UK Covid vaccination rates as Britain’s rollout slows
Malta, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Denmark and Ireland overtake UK in fully jabbed percentages
- "Slow but steady has seen the EU win out in the vaccine race"
Slow but steady has seen the EU win out in the vaccine race
Ursula von der Leyen says the union’s vaccination programme is now a success after its stumbling start
- "COVID-19: Why has the UK vaccine rollout slowed and which countries have overtaken it?"
COVID-19: Why has the UK vaccine rollout slowed and which countries have overtaken it?
Sky News looks at why the UK vaccine rollout appears to have slowed down in recent weeks.news.sky.com
Does that disabuse you of your misunderstanding about the "shambolic EU vaccine scheme" or do we need to spend more time on it?
Were you as confident about your other claims as you were about that one?
Lol do you even read the links you spew out on here - the critical part of the vaccine roll out was the start - in early Jan here roll out in full force, not so much in the EU - the UK roll out to pensioners enabled us to come out of lockdown much faster and saved lots of lives.
Once all the vulnerable were done and lockdown ended who cares how many healthy people were jabbed - we never ran out of stock either.
Let's also not forget that the EU even tried to steal our jabs in a hissy fit at their own shambles.
edit - to quote your own link lol..
At the start of 2021, the UK coronavirus vaccine rollout was one of the fastest in the world.
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Why even bother replying?bOriS gOt tHe bIg cAlLs rIgHt!
You need to evidence your claims a bit more if you want comprehensive help understanding every way in which you're wrong, but on vaccines, and pending any further detail you can provide, here's some reading:
- "EU leads vaccine marathon after losing sprint - Slow to start, the bloc is now vaccinating at twice the rate of US or UK"
EU leads vaccine marathon after losing sprint
Slow to start, the bloc is now vaccinating at twice the rate of US or UK
- "Six EU states overtake UK Covid vaccination rates as Britain’s rollout slows"
Six EU states overtake UK Covid vaccination rates as Britain’s rollout slows
Malta, Belgium, Spain, Portugal, Denmark and Ireland overtake UK in fully jabbed percentages
- "Slow but steady has seen the EU win out in the vaccine race"
Slow but steady has seen the EU win out in the vaccine race
Ursula von der Leyen says the union’s vaccination programme is now a success after its stumbling start
- "COVID-19: Why has the UK vaccine rollout slowed and which countries have overtaken it?"
COVID-19: Why has the UK vaccine rollout slowed and which countries have overtaken it?
Sky News looks at why the UK vaccine rollout appears to have slowed down in recent weeks.Does that disabuse you of your misunderstanding about the "shambolic EU vaccine scheme" or do we need to spend more time on it?
Were you as confident about your other claims as you were about that one?
Yes when their post completely undermines their argument.
He did write two letters, one in support of Remain and the other for Leave but ended up choosing Leave because he felt that was the best way to further his career no doubt.
It’s like he was 52% to 48% split on his decision lol…
Soldato
I do agree that the enquiry racking over party gate etc isn't going to help achieve what the inquiry should be trying to ie the outcome should be an improved future pandemic response everyone aware of the other stuff and that is sad reflection on those involved and the state of all of those in positions of authority the suitcases full of wine etc reflect a total lack of leadership both in the political and civil sides of government. I don't think this inquiry will deliver what is really needed and that is significant investment in planning and preparation for a future pandemic, our health service needs to be strong enough to cope better, our scientists need to be funded and supported and we need to have capacity in various industries and services available just encase.
Can't agree with you on Boris though, his decision making was woeful throughout the pandemic despite being advised what to do he was always late purely because he doesn't like to make difficult decisions until the answer is obvious he has done it throughout his career. Plenty of things he did were indefensible like letting the cummings affair, his comments about bodies pilling high, the delay to both lockdowns, eat out to help out, that bonkers set of Christmas rules, the different levels. These decisions were all obviously wrong at the time and even more so with hindsight and that is without looking at the rank corruption throughout in purchasing programs, lets not forget little things like when it was believed ventilators were going to be hugely important our government wasted money and time talking to dyson instead of the one company in the UK that actually made the things something that was repeated time and again
That would be funny/forgivable if the buffoon had made his choice for sound reasons and not his own personal gain which he then sacrificed our countries economic prosperity for!
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He was pretty much but in true Boris fashion he did whatever he though was best for Boris and to damn with the consequences, pretty much how he handled COVID IMO.
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Oh man.
"My marathon runner won the first mile, so he was the winner overall"
What a silly thing to say.
Remember - the claim you made was that the EU vaccine scheme was shambolic.
Overall it was better than the UK's.
If this is the mental gymnastics you're going through on this, it seems safe to assume the rest of your views are similarly boiled.
Soldato
From one of your linked Guardian articles:
By what rationale are you saying that the outstanding UK rollout that got the most vulnerable groups vaccinated so quickly should be overridden by the latter stage slowdown for those less vulnerable?
Compared to the UK, the EU response was Shambolic..
I mean, lets not find anyone discussing the UK rollout as a positive now:
Covid-19 vaccine roll-out in England: A qualitative evaluation - PMC
The UK was the first country to launch a national pandemic COVID-19 vaccination programme, which was implemented swiftly despite significant vaccine supply constraints. The delivery strategy used a combination of mass vaccination sites operated by ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Comparing this to a marathon is just wrong..
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Soldato
Pretty much echo's my own views..
I don't understand (happy to be corrected) how people latch on to this notion that all BoJo had to do was follow Chris Witty's advice and everything would be wonderful and it wasn't just a complete crapshoot for every country/government. Medical advice was only one part of this, the multi-variant nature of running a country has to balance everything, including economic impact..
To this day I don't think anyone can, even with 20/20 hindsight, understand what decisions should be made for any given country that would guarantee to have the least net loss all round.
It is true that lockdowns overall have been (only in hindsight) found to most likely be the least worst option, but I think all studies/reports acknowledge the incredible challenge of trying to make any balanced decision for a least worst outcome..
e.g.
Delaying, deliberating and struggling to know which decision to make was probably a very common feature behind closed doors for any government anywhere in the world.
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