London Bridge Incident

It's a shame people are only starting to listen now, the Police Federation have been saying it for ages.
Ah, this is the ex copper who has been on an anti May crusade since they were investigated for unwarranted stop and search of the general public, particularly young people and reminded to follow the guidelines and process rather than just random searches. Interesting..
 
The policeman that took on all 3 has balls of steel. Hope everyone injured pulls through. RIP to those who did not .

According to BBC news he was in a critical condition but has since stabilised, thankfully. A genuine hero and as you say, absolute balls of steel.
 
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Attacks 'not a coincidence', Russian official says
In a Facebook post, the Head of the Russian parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee blamed UK foreign policy for recent terrorist attacks.

"For the third time in recent months, Britain has become the target of terrorists, and this is no longer just a coincidence," Konstantin Kosachyov said (in Russian).

"They are hitting a country whose politics has for a long time been the most active in the region where terrorism took root, politics that many people from that region consider hostile and aggressive, worthy of retribution."

Mmmmmmmmmm, Pot, Kettle and black springs to mind here. Because of course Russia has has never bombed or killed any member of Isis...............................oh, hang on.
 
Would there be a reliable way of proving it? I mean, the other Muslim lady in that clip seems to think none exist.

There are wahabi ideology mosques in the UK, I know at least one. But even these will not be encouraging terrorism.

Whether they condemn it, I don't know.

Looks like this guy was booted out of his local mosque, so you see the problem is not in most mosques.

A lot of this radicalising is done online.
 
I've said several times that I don't have a simple answer to this, but I'm also not misguided enough to believe there is one. I'm not sure how that counts as bluster.

At least you can sleep tonight knowing you have succeeded in signaling your virtue whilst offering nothing constructive to the arguments at hand then
 
Would there be a reliable way of proving it? I mean, the other Muslim lady in that clip seems to think none exist.

It would probably be enlightening to identify which branch of Islam the woman in white was from - I have a pretty good idea but I'd only be guessing.

A lot of this radicalising is done online.

You don't really get this level of radicalisation purely online - it might introduce or reinforce it but in most cases it won't be enough to indoctrinate someone at that level.
 
Please, go ahead....as long as it's not that garbage opinion piece by Peter Berkowitz ;)

Everything against your narrow view will be garbage, that's the problem. Even Michael Walzer will be garbage. I will leave it to you, to show wrong I am (pro tip: ad-hominem and hinting about reporting don't count)
 
At least you can sleep tonight knowing you have succeeded in signaling your virtue whilst offering nothing constructive to the arguments at hand then

Ok? Nothing constructive was ever going to come out of a GD thread anyway - I'm fairly sure the security services aren't sourcing their ideas from people who get shouty about how "something" must be done after each terrorist attack. I'm glad you got some use out of a new phrase though.

Don't worry. Hopefully by next week she'll be gone or at least a coalition government.

As nice as that would be, we're still getting a Tory majority.
 
It would probably be enlightening to identify which branch of Islam the woman in white was from - I have a pretty good idea but I'd only be guessing.



You don't really get this level of radicalisation purely online - it might introduce or reinforce it but in most cases it won't be enough to indoctrinate someone at that level.

Starts online, then they can link up other like minded people then make plans.

The ideology is all available online and this is where it all starts.
 
Mayor Sadiq Khan said Londoners should remain vigilant but added: "I'm reassured we are one of the safest global cities in the world."

Is this guy the next comical Ali?
 
Everything against your narrow view will be garbage, that's the problem. Even Michael Walzer will be garbage. I will leave it to you show wrong I am (pro tip ad-hominem and hinting about reporting don't count)

Ahh, so it was that garbage article, lol

And that's not how the burden of proof goes, you state "The left are in bed with radical islam" it's up to you to provide some proof to that assertion, not me to disprove it (and blog opinion pieces from people with a right wing agenda don't cut the mustard)

And i'm not sure how repeatedly stating I don't RTM people is me hinting about reporting.....I guess that's just an insight into how your mind twists reality to fit your agenda ;) (you can chalk that one up to ad hominem if you like :p)
 
These attacks are simply common or garden Islamic dysfunction. It happens everywhere Islam has the numbers and freedom to do it – it’s hard wired. There’s a reason Muslim majority countries are authoritarian, it’s to manage Islam’s presence. We’ve noticed increased problems not because of foreign policy, intolerance or Islamophobia**, but because Islam is spreading into the west and inevitably bringing its dysfunction with it.

The solution is a combination of:
  • Less Muslims
  • Less tolerance for Islam
  • Authoritarianism

Not only does something need to be done, but it needs to be seen to be done, because:

Right now we have extreme members of Group A attacking and killing random members of Group B on a near daily basis. As this is happening in law & order societies Group B is staying peaceful and allowing the authorities to deal with. But if it keeps happening it’s only a matter of time before extreme members of Group B start returning the favour. Once that happens the tit-for-tat attacks will escalate beyond just extreme members of each group as more and more people are affected.

Just to pre-empt a few predicable replies:

“But but but #MoreRadicalism!”

You don’t get to say Islam is a religion of peace in one breath and then insist that if a butterfly flaps its wings it’ll cause more radicalism.​

“Tiny minority!”

This is utterly disingenuous, and the people who say it know it.

Example:
  • Ideology 1: 17 ideological murders per 100k members
  • Ideology 2: 22 ideological murders per 100k members
  • Ideology 3: 25 ideological murders per 100k members
  • Ideology 4: 150 ideological murders per 100k members

As you can see, all tiny minorities, but one of these things is not like the others.​

“You just hate brown people”

Again, utterly disingenuous. Where are all threads about Sikhs and Hindus?​

“You’re a far-right nazi!”

Nope, but I do have testosterone high enough to recognise a potential threat to the group.​


**I loathe that word. It was designed purely to silence scrutiny/criticism of Islam where Islam doesn’t have the power to silence it with force.
 
You know that it is a privilege to be British. It is a privilege to reside in this country. Britain welcomes open mindedness and allows freedom of individuals to practise any belief system they wish.

However it is not permissible to treat all people who do not share your beliefs as infidels. It is not permissible to inflict your own views as the law above that of the country. It is not permissible to control the rights of other individuals by gender or race or religion except as stated by the laws of the country.

Religions must conform with host country laws. If they do not, they can be proscribed. Religious institutions that can be found to act or preach outside the law should be closed down or preachers dismissed from the country.
 
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