London pollution & ULEZ

[200sols]

Of course 'nobody wants it' because it impacts them directly now to improve life tomorrow. People are shortsighted.

 

[Megahurtz400]

Why anyone would own a car living in London is beyond me tbh.

Girlfriend lives inside current ULEZ and if I were to move there I would just hire a zip or something similar car for a few days if I really needed one.

 

[Richie]

If you search number plates of 2005/2006 cars on Autotrader you should see that anything registered from March 2006 will be compliant but those registered before March 2006 will not automatically be compliant.

Do me a favour and put the following reg number into the TfL checker:

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/check-your-vehicle/
Reg: LA05EFJ (petrol car registered in 2005 I plucked from Autotrader just now)

Tell us the results

 

[Nasher]

If they want to charge London prices or keep some certain contracts (depending on what they do), guess what, you got to go to London.

They only charge London prices because of the expense and hassle of going there.

 

[Maccy]

So are all my cars, but it's about control. This will run out to the rest of the country. We have 60mph on the M4 going past Heathrow for "air quality" - it's a complete farce. We have clean air in Birmingham, the very least of the worries that Birmingham has. Then, as we all get to these "clean" EV cars that take huge amounts of fossil fuels to build, then they have the system to tax that already in place. Where do you think they'll get the money to run their wasteful programmes and schemes. HS2...?

Sure, but personally I can only see it as a good thing that we're trying to move in a direction that helps promote cleaner air.

 

[Mr Jack]

Petrol cars after, not from 2005:

The rule is about whether they are Euro 4 compliant or not for petrol cars. Euro 4 was finalised in January 2005 and applied from January 2006. All petrol cars from 2006 onwards are compliant, but many manufacturers already released compliant cars in 2005.

 

[XeNoN89]

Why anyone would own a car living in London is beyond me tbh.

Girlfriend lives inside current ULEZ and if I were to move there I would just hire a zip or something similar car for a few days if I really needed one.

That's fine for the current zone, but the expansion will cover loads of outer London suburban areas where cars are very much still required

 

[Freddie1980]

Where is the idea that almost no one wants it coming from ? I live in London and most people i've spoken to about it don't seem to care either way. Granted that's not exactly a significant sample pool but having just done a quick google search for some polls it seems it's as popular as it is unpopular ?

It comes from a report circa 2015 that people living in polluted cities where suffering from higher levels of asthma, this was directly attributed to the emissions from petrol and diesel vehicles. The ULEZ project was a knee jerk reaction to this report and along with the congestion charge has just made it more expensive to do business in central London whilst deterring day visitors (the take up of electric vehicles has done more for improving air pollution then any ULEZ scheme). The suspicion is Khan is pushing this as a cash grab to makeup for lost TFL revenues.

 

[sidimmu]

They only charge London prices because of the expense and hassle of going there.

Sounds like an issue with the business rather than the ULEZ coming in.

 

[Richie]

The rule is about whether they are Euro 4 compliant or not. Euro 4 was finalised in January 2005 and applied from January 2006. All cars from 2006 onwards are compliant, but many manufacturers already released compliant cars in 2005.

So even older cars - I am unsure what the issue is then. Who cannot afford a car that can be compliant as they can be purchased quite cheaply.

 

[Haggisman]

It's not entirely about pollution TBH. It's about forcing people on to the outsourced public transport. It's being profit driven.

That may be fine in London, but public transport is woefully inadequate in the rest of the country

 

[Uther]

ULEZ will become 'Congestion Charge' once a majority are in EV's.
Kerching!

 

[Freakbro]

I didn't say anything about it not being a minority.

I know you didn't hence why I attributed that claim to hades, I was just using your post to highlight the stats to the OP

 

[Hades]

Do me a favour and put the following reg number into the TfL checker:

https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/check-your-vehicle/
Reg: LA05EFJ (petrol car registered in 2005 I plucked from Autotrader just now)

Tell us the results

OK, fair enough. Happy to own up when I've got it wrong.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Doesn't bother me, my car is ULEZ compliant.

Doesn't bother me either, I no longer have need nor desire to travel to foreign lands

 

[robj20]

Thought this was more to get road users in to cars with lower emissions?

I dont agree with the expansion of ULEZ, but its not exactly hard to get a vehicle thats ULEZ compliant these days.

Cars without tyres or brakes? Interesting. It's all a con the majority of the emissions they're concerned about don't even come out of the exhaust of a car.

If they were so concerned with car emissions they'd be looking at different materials for tyres.

 

[Richie]

OK, fair enough. Happy to own up when I've got it wrong.

Turns out we were both wrong. Even older cars can be compliant (I changed the "05" to "04" for the same reg number and its still compliant )

 

[EGuitarStar]

Why anyone would own a car living in London is beyond me tbh.

Girlfriend lives inside current ULEZ and if I were to move there I would just hire a zip or something similar car for a few days if I really needed one.

I somewhat agree, when I used to live in inner London I had great transport links and agreed that a car was not necessary. However, living out on the edge of London is a totally different story whe it comes to public transport and distances to shops, GPs, Chemists, hospitals etc....

Zip cars are not available iny area and Uber are only around during the day time at night forget it.

And now I have a baby and we did have to purchase a car.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

Yes, so an absolute minority do care, not the absolute majority that @Hades claimed

In outer London, nine out of ten cars and eight out of ten vans seen driving on an average day already meet the ULEZ standards, so their drivers will not have to pay the charge.

If, by their own admission, a minority of cars that is seen on the average day will be affected by this change. Then surely it is a change that will not have a significant impact on Air Quality and emissions. Since they are targetting the minority according to their own reports.

 

[Trifid]

ULEZ will become 'Congestion Charge' once a majority are in EV's.
Kerching!

To be honest, they should do that with the current inner ULEZ area anyway.

There should be a clear (and consistent) 10+ year plan set out for all heavily populated areas, I'm not surprised that people are upset with this due to the pace it was implemented. As a resident of a area outside of London, I'd be happy to see non DPF diesels removed from the road completely, ultimately getting to the point where all vehicles are zero emissions. As the owner of a high emissions petrol EURO 6 car, I hope policies are not aggressively implemented before the vehicle has had its 10 year birthday at worst case.


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