London violence reaching epidemic proportions

[Dis86]

Did all of your peers act the same?

My generation were quite lucky. We had youth clubs, I was raised in the country and farmers had no issue with you going on their land as long as you didn't damage crops or disturb livestock, summer holidays were amazing. There were still kids who got in trouble though, vandalism, drinking, drugs were pretty much unheard of where I grew up in the 70/80s other than butane gas and maybe glue? Certainly no drugs at my secondary school.

Yup. Some got in to drink as we got older but even then it was usually at someones house or just chilling at the band-stand or beach.
Heck, we used to have full size football matches, with subs!

Then as we know, there was kerby. The greatest game known to man.

As you say, it was amazing.

 

[Begbie]

How does jetting off to Alicante or wherever help the country? People should be investing in the future of their country rather than escaping it.

Aviation industry brings in a tremendous amount of money for the UK.

 

[potatolord]

In the US you have a large group of people who commit violent crimes at a rate 2-3 times other groups.

Also

According to the FBI 2019 Uniform Crime Report, African-Americans accounted for 55.9% of all homicide offenders in 2019, with whites 41.1%, and "Other" 3% in cases where the race was known. Including homicide offenders where the race was unknown, African-Americans accounted for 39.6% of all homicide offenders in 2019, with whites 29.1%, "Other" 2.1%, and "Unknown" 29.3%[49]

12% of the population committing over 50% of the homicides. So it could be that some groups don't care about the punishment more than others.

What a coincidence. I was thinking I hadn't seen you posting here for ages only yesterday.

I am glad you are still alive.

 

[Richie]

How does jetting off to Alicante or wherever help the country? People should be investing in the future of their country rather than escaping it.

Guarantee me 2 solid weeks of sun with mid-20s temperatures and a villa with a private pool in the UK and I'm in.

Until then, I'll be going abroad.

 

[SPG]

It can be fixed, but government and police values need to be realigned. Sadly no government or police force seem to have stomach or will for that and the public definitely aren’t prepared to foot the bill.

So we moan, use the issue as a political tool to further open the wealth gap. The smart people use this to get further ahead and mugged in the street that pushes them further to the right so they can be raided at home and mugged in the street more often. And around it goes.

Chain gangs. Rehabilitate the scum by some hard work and humiliation.

 

[jigger]

Chain gangs. Rehabilitate the scum by some hard work and humiliation.

 

[StriderX]

Aviation industry brings in a tremendous amount of money for the UK.

I'm sure it does but less of it reaches the hands of a steadily growing number of people every year whilst the taxes get sucked into subsidising that growing cohort instead of being able to invest it.

 

[sg0]

I think poor standards are a big problem here in the UK. I work for a rail company and their standards for delay, cleaning and maintenance is lowering every few years. Also the police too. We have to deal with the British transport police and a lot of the time they don't even collect the cctv on time? They are just seen as the joke police. PCSO's in the area would waste time in station office with their feet up (literally).

I also see poor standards far to often in the building trade ect. Crazy quotes, delays, poor workmanship. It's like poor effort is the norm, no wonder teenagers want the gear for f all. They think working is for mugs.

 

[SpellowHouse]

These are valued British people.

If there's a war, they're an essential source of cannon fodder.

 

[the shadow]

I think poor standards are a big problem here in the UK. I work for a rail company and their standards for delay, cleaning and maintenance is lowering every few years. Also the the police too. We have to deal with the British transport police and a lot of the time they don't even collect the cctv on time? They are just seen as the joke police. PCSO's in the area would waste time the station office with their feet up (literally).

I also see poor standards far to often in the building trade ect. Crazy quotes, delays, poor workmanship. It's like poor effort is the norm, no wonder teenagers want the gear for f all. They think working is for mugs.

Quiet quitting spring to mind

 

[jigger]

These are valued British people.

If there's a war, they're an essential source of cannon fodder.

Not sure how some would shape up today. National service could help, but you need at least something to work with and a lot of our youth of today, well I’d struggle to see how some could be adapted into a military structure and rehabilitate themselves. The risk is you end up producing some highly trained and capable killers.

 

[SPG]

A good kick would go in a long way for the majority of these scroates at a young age

(Here we go again)

 

[Mint8]

Not sure how some would shape up today. National service could help, but you need at least something to work with and a lot of our youth of today, well I’d struggle to see how some could be adapted into a military structure and rehabilitate themselves. The risk is you end up producing some highly trained and capable killers.

Seems to work okay for Israel.....

 

[Raz]

A good kick would go in a long way for the majority of these scroates at a young age

(Here we go again)

Although there's something about violence begets violence its also about consequences. Everyone makes mistakes, or does something wrong, and most should be given another chance but no real consequences to them or even their parents just results in the mess we have now.

Also platforms like tiktok just end up being used to glorify crime and violence, sometimes through a particular type of music.

 

[jigger]

A good kick would go in a long way for the majority of these scroates at a young age

(Here we go again)

Ah ah, social gatekeeping generally leads to assaults from the police and prosecution with extreme prejudice by our courts.

Great care must be taken when issuing scumbags with leather goods

 

[SPG]

Although there's something about violence begets violence its also about consequences. Everyone makes mistakes, or does something wrong, and most should be given another chance but no real consequences to them or even their parents just results in the mess we have now.

Also platforms like tiktok just end up being used to glorify crime and violence, sometimes through a particular type of music.

It was said by Martin Luther King, while a man on a mission i do not think it was in context of unruly scumbags and child upbringing Be interesting to ask him his views on such things. Where is Harry when you need him.

 

[jigger]

The relocation of our police might help. Instead of clocking off to middle class suburbs, let’s have them live in the areas they patrol. Get to know the community proper. Maybe even a redistribution of society.

 

[Lightnix]

I think poor standards are a big problem here in the UK. I work for a rail company and their standards for delay, cleaning and maintenance is lowering every few years. Also the police too. We have to deal with the British transport police and a lot of the time they don't even collect the cctv on time? They are just seen as the joke police. PCSO's in the area would waste time in station office with their feet up (literally).

I also see poor standards far to often in the building trade ect. Crazy quotes, delays, poor workmanship. It's like poor effort is the norm, no wonder teenagers want the gear for f all. They think working is for mugs.

I think lack of ownership in the workplace is doing a number on people. Increasingly job responsibilities have become atomised and made distant from the final output of someone's work. Making people a replaceable cog is essentially the gold standard for corporate management in contemporary business. This leads to culture rot.

Even as a software developer, we're discouraged from doing anything which leaves value in us as individuals, we're reminded to "think about what happens if you got hit by a bus" on a regular basis. There are good reasons for this, business continuity and such. However the implication of this is to never do anything which you are encouraged to take long term ownership of.

Just build your own knowledge and CV and move on. The consequence of this is that only a minority works a job for more than 2 years, you can imagine what this does to long term thinking (which also ends up being discouraged explicitly in some cases). Cue bugs, performance issues, security problems. And this is even in a relatively well rewarded career path staffed by generally reasonably well qualified people.

Ultimately I think a shelf stacker is less invested in their work than a grocer. This atomisation makes labour an abstract concern for the people doing it - in inconvenient time and effort sink that is required in order to live in modern society rather than something to take pride in. So the natural conclusion is all too often: why bother doing it well if you can do it just well enough to get paid?

Conversely management types seem to have their fingers in everything, because ultimately somebody has to atomise that work for their staff. But at the same time they are ultimately alienated from the output of that work as well because they don't directly do any of it and they can ultimately blame their alienated workers for the problems that come out of this process.

 

[StriderX]

I think lack of ownership in the workplace is doing a number on people. Increasingly job responsibilities have become atomised and made distant from the final output of someone's work. Making people a replaceable cog is essentially the gold standard for corporate management in contemporary business. This leads to culture rot.

Even as a software developer, we're discouraged from doing anything which leaves value in us as individuals, we're reminded to "think about what happens if you got hit by a bus" on a regular basis. There are good reasons for this, business continuity and such. However the implication of this is to never do anything which you are encouraged to take long term ownership of.

Just build your own knowledge and CV and move on. The consequence of this is that only a minority works a job for more than 2 years, you can imagine what this does to long term thinking (which also ends up being discouraged explicitly in some cases). Cue bugs, performance issues, security problems. And this is even in a relatively well rewarded career path staffed by generally reasonably well qualified people.

Ultimately I think a shelf stacker is less invested in their work than a grocer. This atomisation makes labour an abstract concern for the people doing it - in inconvenient time and effort sink that is required in order to live in modern society rather than something to take pride in. So the natural conclusion is all too often: why bother doing it well if you can do it just well enough to get paid?

Conversely management types seem to have their fingers in everything, because ultimately somebody has to atomise that work for their staff. But at the same time they are ultimately alienated from the output of that work as well because they don't directly do any of it and they can ultimately blame their alienated workers for the problems that come out of this process.

Why shouldn't that be the natural conclusion?

People shouldn't work harder without compensation for it, ever.

 

[Lightnix]

Why shouldn't that be the natural conclusion?

People shouldn't work harder without compensation for it, ever.

Well this is kind of it. If you ask me we should be having more worker co-ops and such so that people are literally directly invested in their own workplaces.