So how much extra would you like to pay? It’s going to be very expensive. Private prisons are not cheap to build and operate.
It’s also not going to solve any of the problems. Time in jail isn’t deterrent at all.
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London violence reaching epidemic proportions
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So how much extra would you like to pay? It’s going to be very expensive. Private prisons are not cheap to build and operate.
It’s also not going to solve any of the problems. Time in jail isn’t deterrent at all.
Costs can be cut obviously. They say it costs over 40k a year per prisoner.
You could literally employ 1 policemen per prinsoner to stand duty on him and house him for that price. (30k a year salary, 10k to put a roof over their head).
So how it is possible to create a cost that high is not fathomable in basic conditions.
Well no, but how many sets of £40k are you prepared to pay? Two prisoners worth? Say £800,000?
I’m in, put me down for a few years worth.
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Asylum seekers cost 6m a day, so 6m into prisoners is another 12k+ right away.
That's a good start.
Well I don’t know who can fix that issue or how we even make it stop, all I do know is it’s definitely not the conservatives. If anything they’ve made it more expensive and complicated to deal with.
But the topic is violent crime and how we solve it isn’t it?
Correct, by putting people into prison for longer.
Making sure that career offenders have a career in prison etc.
What we have to accept is that only a small proportion of offenders and reoffenders are truly rehabilitation candidates.
Therefore you protect your citizens by removing the offenders from society for long periods of time so that they cannot reoffend.
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Time in prison is time when the prisoners can only criminalise against fellow miscreants or prison officers.
Providing prison officers with overpoweringly effective weapons and no judicial fear in using them covers the latter. Inter prisoner violence aids the deterrence factor.
The only missing ingredients are governmental will and the ability to forcefully quell objections by the liberal left.
In reality only a benevolent dictator with the will and ability to violently bring order back to the UK or whichever western country faces similar intransigency has any hope. Liberal pussy footing around has brought us to the situations we now watch daily.
To validate the above look to which countries have very low violent crime rates and how their governments operate in subduing anyone foolish enough to test their resolve.
Providing prison officers with overpoweringly effective weapons and no judicial fear in using them covers the latter. Inter prisoner violence aids the deterrence factor.
The only missing ingredients are governmental will and the ability to forcefully quell objections by the liberal left.
In reality only a benevolent dictator with the will and ability to violently bring order back to the UK or whichever western country faces similar intransigency has any hope. Liberal pussy footing around has brought us to the situations we now watch daily.
To validate the above look to which countries have very low violent crime rates and how their governments operate in subduing anyone foolish enough to test their resolve.
True, look at Rwanda, their crime rate is almost half of ours.
You have to take crime seriously and really punish the criminals. Not let them repeatedly offend.
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For that money couldnt we make really big fans and blow the boats back?
We have fostered too many areas that produce these type of people and those areas are growing alarmingly.
Criminality per capita needs to go down and the UK’s area’s of issue have some of the highest birth rates in the U.K.
The goal should be to reduce the number of people incarcerated per capita and that requires more than the threat of time in prison as most of this culture see jail as a badge of honour. We really need to offer people something to conserve, something to loose. We also need to look at how instil different values.
A program of endless prison building and longer sentencing is one solution it’s just a very expensive one that’s only masking a rapidly growing issue that’s been ignored for decades.
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We are between a rock and a hard place. The costs involved and the amount of resources needed just to get criminals in front of a judge is far too large and serial offenders have probably committed ten other offences prior to apprehension, then add to that any errors in incompetence/crap work standards by the authorities just rubs salt into the justice system. We can't even get the drunk and disorderly from A&E and into some kind of **** head A&E where they should get charged £££. Private Security is needed almost everywhere, A&E, in pubs small shops ect. Those costs are added on somewhere, it seems it's the norm. Insurance companies aka the "bookies of doing business" must be loving it.
Moon cannons. Shoot them and their Ferrari’s back to bongo bongo land as one clueless man once said.
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Would you trust Rwanda's crime figures given they're hardly a model of open democratic govt and transparency?
I don't trust our crime figures nevermind theirs.
They are irrelevant anyway. The wealth gap and difference in moral values is nothing like ours.
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I think the problem starts with kids.... back when I was a kid if the teacher sent a letter home or wo betide the police bough me home I would have got an utter bollocking and likely a smacked backside. at the very least severe grounding with no TV or computer
do that nowadays and parents would be up for assault.... but worse than that
some of the kids i went to school with, if they got sent home or when the police took them home the reaction would have been to ask what the hell the teachers were doing sending their kid home abong with calling the police pigs and what not to their faces.....
well.... now those kids are having kids of their own. what sort of role model are they being ..... I am not saying smacking is ok either (tho I only got hit a handful of times .. it was the deterrent of last resort) but so long as kids are aloud to run ferel the. they are likely to be scallies when they get older.
one of my wife's colleagues believes in free parenting where you let kids do what they want...... their 3 kids managed to ruin a wedding and the parents (educated and very senior people in their scientific field) didn't give a .....
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I don't envy the police having to wrestle those animals, could easily turn nasty if someone is carrying a blade.
As far as I know less than 10% of American prisons are privately owned.
Enforcing the law with appropriate punishment does reduce crime, as it deters copycats. Just because crime is not completely eliminated does not mean that it is not working as a deterrent. Did you consider that without the "harsh" punishments that crime would be worst in America? Go look at all those cities that are now experiencing a theft epidemic because they basically made it okay to steal.
People are rioting in the streets because they don't fear punishment. We have an over abundance of ways to entertain yourself in 2023. They are not doing this because they are bored, they are doing this because they think they can get away with it. It also happens so soon after the riot in New York.
Who was that clown that walked into a persons home for TikTok views. He got a slap on the wrist. What do you think was his take away from that? You think other kids didn't notice that?
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Jail is a deterrent for some criminals. Second or third generation mindless feral youth with nothing to lose? Not so much.