London violence reaching epidemic proportions

jigger said:
The relocation of our police might help. Instead of clocking off to middle class suburbs, let’s have them live in the areas they patrol. Get to know the community proper. Maybe even a redistribution of society.
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I work with a lass who's dad was a copper in Stoke back in the day. had he been forced to live in his beat area I think you would find him and most of his colleagues with families would have quit. as it was he regularly got death threats and every now and then the lass I work with would be told to duck and hide when her dad spotted one of the more unsavoury types he had had to deal with.

your idea is like one of many you see (and I have them too) on the surface seems a good idea but in reality if you put into practice it would not work as you would hope
 
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bigmike20vt said:
I work with a lass who's dad was a copper in Stoke back in the day. had he been forced to live in his beat area I think you would find him and most of his colleagues with families would have quit. as it was he regularly got death threats and every now and then the lass I work with would be told to duck and hit when her dad spotted one of the more savoury types he had had to deal with.

your idea is like one of many you see (and I have them too) on the surface seems a good idea but in reality if you put into practice it would not work as you would hope
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I’m not expecting it would be easy at all, but most of the UK like the OP, seem to be wanting a quick no cost fix, while simultaneously maintaining the political status quo and keeping themselves and property at a safe distance. Somebody has to do the dirty work.

We can’t have conservative values without giving people something to conserve.
 
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sg0 said:
I think poor standards are a big problem here in the UK. I work for a rail company and their standards for delay, cleaning and maintenance is lowering every few years. Also the police too. We have to deal with the British transport police and a lot of the time they don't even collect the cctv on time? They are just seen as the joke police. PCSO's in the area would waste time in station office with their feet up (literally).

I also see poor standards far to often in the building trade ect. Crazy quotes, delays, poor workmanship. It's like poor effort is the norm, no wonder teenagers want the gear for f all. They think working is for mugs.
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This has nothing to do with the number if stabbings, phone thefts, violent attacks etc


We do need better enforcement of the laws. I hear about people not being sentenced to prison because the prisons are full.

Well build more. Our population is growing and the criminal element is also growing.

"A government source told the newspaper the trigger for a custodial sentence for repeat shoplifting would likely be between 10 and 20"

We are letting people make a career out of theft before considering locking them up. How does this make sense?

It's about time to start making minimum sentances, applying them and making space to put them away.
 
dave28 said:
I have been saying it for years, the UK legal system is soft as jelly.

They do the crime because they dont fear the law.
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Going to repeat myself by saying that if the severity of law enforcement was an issue then why do American still steal? They've essentially made it a business to imprison people and extract money from their prisoners, so why are they still committing crimes?

I'm all for the enacting of justice but merely being harsher is probably not a long-term solution and we have to consider how it will affect individual liberty because if that's on the chopping block then what was the point...
 
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The Running Man said:
This has nothing to do with the number if stabbings, phone thefts, violent attacks etc


We do need better enforcement of the laws. I hear about people not being sentenced to prison because the prisons are full.

Well build more. Our population is growing and the criminal element is also growing.

"A government source told the newspaper the trigger for a custodial sentence for repeat shoplifting would likely be between 10 and 20"

We are letting people make a career out of theft before considering locking them up. How does this make sense?

It's about time to start making minimum sentances, applying them and making space to put them away.
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Can't afford law enforcement or prisons, the rich need more money.
 
bingham67 said:
www.dailymail.co.uk

TikTok chaos spreads to Southend after carnage on Oxford Street

Essex Police has set up a dispersal zone for the next 48 hours following posts threatening to spread the social media chaos to Southend-on-Sea, where there was trouble on August 1 (pictured).
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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The world was a better place before social media. Imagine going to trash a place because some random person on the internet tells you too. Our youth are becoming feral with no consequence, no boundaries and a huge sense of entitlement. I see it more and more in my job. Parents either don’t care, defend them or outright support the behaviour. There’s a very sad theme in these images too.

We need more police and a strong legal system more badly than ever.
 
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CaptainRAVE said:
The world was a better place before social media. Imagine going to trash a place because some random person on the internet tells you too. Our youth are becoming feral with no consequence, no boundaries and a huge sense of entitlement. I see it more and more in my job. Parents either don’t care, defend them or outright support the behaviour. There’s a very sad theme in these images too.

We need more police and a strong legal system more badly than ever.
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Are the govt any better than the feral youth?

It doesn't look like it to me.

There's plenty of police to be found to run alongside Rishi's limo North Korea style, or to stop any form of protest against the govt, or to protect the Windsor parasites...

They're not employed to enforce the the law, they're a tool of the state to protect the state, the interests of the rich and the status quo.
 
The Running Man said:
This has nothing to do with the number if stabbings, phone thefts, violent attacks etc


We do need better enforcement of the laws. I hear about people not being sentenced to prison because the prisons are full.

Well build more. Our population is growing and the criminal element is also growing.

"A government source told the newspaper the trigger for a custodial sentence for repeat shoplifting would likely be between 10 and 20"

We are letting people make a career out of theft before considering locking them up. How does this make sense?

It's about time to start making minimum sentances, applying them and making space to put them away.
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The authoritarian route is very expensive. How much extra would you like to be taxed, an extra 10% of income and assets owned or currently paying for?
 
sg0 said:
I think poor standards are a big problem here in the UK. I work for a rail company and their standards for delay, cleaning and maintenance is lowering every few years. Also the police too. We have to deal with the British transport police and a lot of the time they don't even collect the cctv on time? They are just seen as the joke police. PCSO's in the area would waste time in station office with their feet up (literally).

I also see poor standards far to often in the building trade ect. Crazy quotes, delays, poor workmanship. It's like poor effort is the norm, no wonder teenagers want the gear for f all. They think working is for mugs.
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I'm sure some won't agree, but I think 'we' have become a lazy nation and are getting lazier.

It's ironic that a lot of legal migrants work bloody hard compared to the likes of me.
 
VincentHanna said:
I'm sure some won't agree, but I think 'we' have become a lazy nation and are getting lazier.

It's ironic that a lot of legal migrants work bloody hard compared to the likes of me.
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And the Covid era has exacerbated the problem. I’ve never seen so much of ‘it’s not my job’, poor work standards, companies that don’t care about the service they offer etc.
 
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jigger said:
The authoritarian route is very expensive. How much extra would you like to be taxed, an extra 10% of income and assets owned or currently paying for?
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There are less than 90,000 in prison in the UK

Conversely there are more than 100,000 asylum seekers unprocessed being housed and on benefits in the UK.

Doesn't take much to work out that if we fix 1 problem we can use the funds to fix another without too much of an increase in tax.
 
The Running Man said:
There are less than 90,000 in prison in the UK

Conversely there are more than 100,000 asylum seekers unprocessed being housed and on benefits in the UK.

Doesn't take much to work out that if we fix 1 problem we can use the funds to fix another without too much of an increase in tax.
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That is never going to happen so long as there is electoral value in pretending to fix them.
 
The Running Man said:
There are less than 90,000 in prison in the UK

Conversely there are more than 100,000 asylum seekers unprocessed being housed and on benefits in the UK.

Doesn't take much to work out that if we fix 1 problem we can use the funds to fix another without too much of an increase in tax.
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So house and pay benefits to the criminals? I’m sure that speech would go down great at the next <insert party> conference.
 
jigger said:
So house and pay benefits to the criminals? I’m sure that speech would go down great at the next <insert party> conference.
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Well no, house them in prisons and don't pay them benefits.

By not housing or paying benefits to 100,000 asylum seekers, you can instead use this money to build prisons and house as many prisoners as you need.

Removing the excuse from judges that we can't send people to prison because they are full.
 
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