LOST..... How do you think it will end

Good post, v0n.

The main questions I want answering are these:

What was the reason for the hostility shown by the others to the survivors of flight 815?

Why was Mrs Klugh so keen to be shot by Patchy?

Why didn't the smoke monster kill anybody who stepped outside of the sonic fence?

If Jacob went to such detail to get Jack and Hurley et al to the island, then how come he allowed them to leave in S4?

The numbers. What's that all about?

If the Toy plane in a briefcase was so important that it warranted an entire episode, why has it never been seen since?

Why has Sawyer never said to Widmore: "You wanted to cut my woman's hands off, you ****!"

Why was the Kurgan living in the Swan? Or should I say, why did Sayid's CIA handler turn up working for Dharma at least ten years after DHARMA had been massacred on the island?

What happened with Radzinsky?
 
ElvisFan said:
Why was Mrs Klugh so keen to be shot by Patchy?
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From her Russian speech it was apparent they were under very strict orders not to let them, tell them or lead them into the pylon territory. And that there was protocol established for such situations, therefore as she outranked him, she ordered Mikhail to follow protocol. As with many things in early Lost where the rule of "three episodes and one rerun break is required to pull off any twist" was followed, her death, her orders, the protocol they followed their entire life, lost any meaning whatsoever within three episodes. Just like their kidnapping of Walt, who was so important, so very important, so very special, that they lost a lot of their time, efforts and people acquiring him and then going "bleh, just go home". But then again, Walt was so "special", because of his invisibility - he as so invisible that no one from press, family or Oceanic staff even noticed his and his fathers arrival through customs. Not even when "Oceanic Six" returned home.

If Jacob went to such detail to get Jack and Hurley et al to the island, then how come he allowed them to leave in S4?
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And as extender to this question - another temp writing in season 4 gem - "the punishment for moving the island is that you cannot ever return to the island" says Ben in S4 finale, moves the wheel, lands in the middle of Sahara desert with his arm wound, without his parka, but with folding baton he hadn't had when he departed Orchid and... promptly organize trip back to The Island for everyone (because EVERYONE has to go back*) .

(* = excludes children, born or unborn at the time of departure. Any number of leading characters may come back to the island as body in a coffin only)

Why was the Kurgan living in the Swan? Or should I say, why did Sayid's CIA handler turn up working for Dharma at least ten years after DHARMA had been massacred on the island?
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This, together with other Dharma stuff - other underground bases from Radzinski's picture that Locke never bothered to find, continued air drops of resupplies to island from season 2 etc etc vanished from the answers roster.
We know from later seasons Radzinski was an architect of the Swan station, Kelvin (Kurgan, hehe, very cool reference) joined him in 1991, year before purge and continued to push button with him until Sept 2004.

What happened with Radzinsky?
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Wet patch on the Swan ceiling from where according to "Kurgan" he blew his brains out with a shotgun after what we have to presume was 27 years of pushing the button.

Talking about Swan, one thing just occurred to me - Desmond killed "Kurgan" on the day plane crash happened. On day 44 of Lost timeline, start of S2, we see Desmond waking up to vinyl record, do exercises, dressing up and going to work. This, in light of later "Kurgan" revelations never happened. There is no waking up, doing exercise biking etc for Desmond - he's just spend 44 days in sleep deprivation state without a chance of nodding off for any longer than 105 minutes at a time...
 
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Good answers v0n, but the first question remains unanswered, and with good reason, because it was the raison d'etre of S1-3 yet was never EVER asked by a character on the show.
 
Also, if Jacob was instrumental in putting the main cast onto flight 815, how would he have brought the plane down if Desmond had pushed the button like a good boy and not gone chasing after the Kurgan? (The fanboi's on Lostpedia are reeeeallly clutching at straws on this one)
 
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Also, if Jacob was instrumental in putting the main cast onto flight 815, how would he have brought the plane down if Desmond had pushed the button like a good boy and not gone chasing after the Kurgan? (The fanboi's on Lostpedia are reeeeallly clutching at straws on this one)
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Well if you remember he brought the Black Rock to the Island too (if you recall the conversation he had with MiB sat on the beach), he had to of caused that storm to bring it there. As to explaining it, who knows.
 
Jacob really didn't come across as a pathetic character to me. And besides, for pretty much the whole episode he was actually incapable of doing anything god-like, until he drank the blessed wine - which probably gave him special powers which he would later learn to use as the Jacob we know today.
 
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Jacob really didn't come across as a pathetic character to me. And besides, for pretty much the whole episode he was actually incapable of doing anything god-like, until he drank the blessed wine - which probably gave him special powers which he would later learn to use as the Jacob we know today.
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I think they were trying to make a point that Jacob was only human and a 'good' person. Also i think people are forgetting that the events of the latest episode happened a long time before the present time or even when Richard came to the island. Possibly hundreds or thousands of years.

Certainly more than enough time for Jacob to 'man up', im sure people would change over such a long period of time.
 
Demoniser said:
I think they were trying to make a point that Jacob was only human and a 'good' person. Also i think people are forgetting that the events of the latest episode happened a long time before the present time or even when Richard came to the island. Possibly hundreds or thousands of years.

Certainly more than enough time for Jacob to 'man up', im sure people would change over such a long period of time.
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Their modern accents really annoyed me in this episode.
 
v0n said:
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v0n, you've articulated very well why I found the last couple of seasons uninteresting and confusing. Thinking back to the earlier seasons is like imagining another show completely but one which looks the same as this. There are so many contradictions and holes that none of it bears a moments scrutiny.

I just want it to end, I don't really care how.
 
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v0n, you've articulated very well why I found the last couple of seasons uninteresting and confusing. Thinking back to the earlier seasons is like imagining another show completely but one which looks the same as this. There are so many contradictions and holes that none of it bears a moments scrutiny.

I just want it to end, I don't really care how.
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I thought season 5 was epic and after the switch to the white background I really thought the end would answer a lot of questions. Remember last season how much effort was made to close time loops (Lockes Watch) and the introduction of Jacob was amazing and lived up to his God like status.

But v0n says everything about season6 quite well. Still going to watch the finale in the hopes of something.

not sure if we are allowed to post to outside forums but heres a cool post from thefuselage.com which puts the storyline in chronological order. Notice how the DI and Otheres seem like an after thought in the grand scheme of things.

lost in chronological order
 
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keyser87 said:
Notice how the DI and Otheres seem like an after thought in the grand scheme of things.

lost in chronological order
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Totally agree. I loved Season 5 because it started to answer some questions (although created somemore as per Lost tradition). You could really feel it all come together. The mistake in Season 6 was then going back to confusing episodes like "Jack's got children?", "Sawyer's a police officer?". Every episode that has no flash forwards, back, sideways, up, down was amazing & really enjoyable. Why oh why couldnt they do this for Season 6 as promised......."no more flash forwards or flash backs" .....you gave us flash side ways instead? Like thats somehow clever.
 
Digressing ever so slightly, I've watched every single episode so far of "Flash Forward". This was hyped up to be the next LOST. Viewing figures were not good and the reason for this, I believe, is that after five seasons of LOST, people were tired of what I call "Micro-Drama". By micro-drama I mean next-to-zero plot advancement per episode and loads of relationship filler.

The low viewing figures caused a real crisis and the program was forced into an extended mid-season break while the writers and producers sought to salvage the show. Since this break the show has been dynamite, and there's been more plot advancement in half a series than in three seasons of LOST.

With LOST, there have been so many issues raised at a snail's pace that there is no time to resolve them at the same consistent pace. The way Dogen was shoe-horned into the show was particularly bad and I'm repeating myself when I lament the lack of a proper resolution to the DHARMA story and the reason for the "Others".
 
theres a post over at the fuselage which says how the fan theories have been better than what the show producers have come up with:

- Hurley working in Dharma kitchens who schedules the food drops for the future when they 815 crashes
- Hurley recording the numbers in the transmission on the island
- All losties previously been on the island and have come back to course correct something, this theory almost seem plausible when the time skipping started to occur

the idea that everything is magic and the rules exist because "i made it so" does suck out loud.
 
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I thought season 5 was epic
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Ali195 said:
Totally agree. I loved Season 5
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I personally hated Season 5. To me it was:
- badly written (Kate answering to Jack about her reasons to go back to the island after 5 episodes of "I'm not going back to the Island" - "You will never ask me this question again, and you will never ask me about Aaron". Jack says "OK". It's like a conversation from Days Of Our Lives. Who writes stuff like this outside Venezuelan telenovelas? Total facepalm.

- badly paced ( 5 episodes spent on sky flashing above handful of people, 1 episode spent on not explaining why key people that didn't want to come back, actually came back)

- completely off the hook naive in places (almost every move is based on oneliner premise along the lines of "why do we need to go back?" "Because otherwise, god help us all". "Ok then - we'll abandon our children and go back". Or some other "We're not going to Guam, are we?" - 14-year-old-writing-novel type of stuff.

- illogical ( handful of random F815ers from different parts of the island stranded together in time and space, what about the rest half a thousand people in "the radius" - did they all sign up to Dharma too or were they just running around the jungle crying for help for three years? Or, better yet - Locke, who's just spent 2 seasons preventing others from leaving the island, suddenly goes to Sawyer "I need to find way off the island" and decides to jump into the well. On what premise? To find the Oceanic 6 of course. But wait - how would Locke know they made it off the island? They were last seen by Sawyer going without fuel deep into open sea and last seen by Jin leaving the boat, without fuel and going (deja vu) deep into open sea. As far as everyone is concerned they never made it outside the island, and chances are, based on eye witness accounts - in the best case scenario they could have made it back to the shore. So where TF is Locke going and WTF for?)

I personally though Season 5 was going against everything Lost aspired to and the whole random time travel story, in my opinion was written by a bunch of teenage drunks. At least previously, by the look of things, the drunks writing the plot were supervised by someone with A level in physics and checked by some agency temp for massive plotholes to cover. I hated how Season 5 made absolutely no sense whatsoever in many parts, and how other elements were stitched together just for the sake of it - like The Smoke dragging french crew to the pit by the Temple just for the sake of "security system guarding temple" quote and then Danielle shooting her crew for the same reason, but without expanding on important questions - like, what was the "disease" and how Danielle who "never seen another person on the Island until your arrival" keep meeting ef loads of people everywhere, or at least has 100% certainty that Jin, she keeps bouncing into all over the place, is probably still somewhere in the bushes. I'll leave it there, otherwise i'll just spend entire evening whinging. ;) I might actually sit down and watch Season 5 again, as I only seen it once (that's how much I didn't like it)...
 
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Agree about S5, it's where the show if not started to fall apart, at least started to pull well away from where most people probably hoped it would go (and not unfairly so considering the first few seasons).

The whole show now feels like an answer to a question nobody asked. A lot of people laughed at the idea they'd pull it all together from very early on, and while the signs were always there, I think the belief that they would manage it came largely from the thought that they couldn't so badly misjudge what their audience wanted. Certainly not in a time when it's so easy for any randomer to get their voice heard.

When all said and done, I think Lost will be summed up as a show where the reveal never lives up to the mystery.
 
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