LOST..... How do you think it will end

Antar Bolaeisk said:
Not sure what to make of that episode, a lot of it stills makes no bloody sense at all but the end left me a bit gobsmacked, it certainly puts paid to all those naysayers claiming they were just making it up as they went along.

Also MIB couldn't kill Jacob but it's quite clear that Jacob was able to kill his brother and that MIB is not Jacob's brother, therefore not under that particular restriction, so just why did MIB need Ben to do his dirty work for him.
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Jacob didn't kill his brother and he did say 'i'm not going to kill you brother', he just got knocked unconscious and then got sucked into the light which then...seemingly killed him or whatever it actually did.
 
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Demoniser said:
Jacob didn't kill his brother and he did say 'i'm not going to kill you brother', he just got knocked unconscious and then got sucked into the light which then...seemingly killed him or whatever it actually did.
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See, that to me is a loophole on par with Macbeth's killer being not of woman born simply because a caesarian didn't qualify him for such a description.

Brother died as a direct result of Jacob's actions and allowed MIB to roam the Island, though maybe it's allowable because Jacob thought he wouldn't be killed. Regardless, I still think it's a bit daft.

He is definitely dead though, same as Locke, and the demon (for lack of a better term) took his form.

Also, I'm hoping they explain why sticking a great big steering wheel into the Light has the ability to move the island, the were touching on it in this episode but then left it again.
 
that ep was very Shakespearian , also cane and abel.

the whole ethos to lost is similar to the ethos to BSG. jewish mythos. read about jacob, the biblical one, and you will learn the character.
 
Antar Bolaeisk said:
Also MIB couldn't kill Jacob but it's quite clear that Jacob was able to kill his brother and that MIB is not Jacob's brother, therefore not under that particular restriction, so just why did MIB need Ben to do his dirty work for him.
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Oh, I can open my mouth about this episode now then?

Of course MIB is Jacob's brother, you saw them both born at the start of the episode?!
 
Perhaps tis a bit daft but the mib died by the water pulling him into the light, not jacob. You could say the same for how Ben killed Jacob. It would have been the mib's fault for goading ben into doing it and the same for how he tried to kill the candidates with the bomb. Its safe to say that they can't 'physically' kill one another like whacking him against a rock or pushing him off a cliff.

The brother is smokey/mib as far as we know. A few episodes ago he said 'Jacob stole my body'. His original body is obviously dead (as seen at the end of the episode), but hes still there in some form as the smoke monster. It's not something different.

The mother did say 'a fate worse than death' if they were to go into the light.
 
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it had the potential to be a good episode but it was ruined by what can only be descripted as a plot wrote on a napkin while waiting for food in a restaraunt.

why didnt they do it so the villagers didnt get killed and they went on to build the temple?

then it wouldnt have had the stupid hole of how does a stupid old woman kill a whole village and collapse the shaft they had been digging and the episode might have made some sense
 
Thought I'd start writing about LOST in my blog. I ended up writing quite a bit:

Quite an interesting episode that revealed a lot but also raised many more questions. Also gave an annoyingly accurate quote about LOST in general:

"Any answers I give will only lead to more questions."

New questions raised:
  • What time period was this set in? They can speak Latin, but prefer speaking English - notably they are speaking with American accents.
  • What exactly happened to Jacob's brother? I believe that his body is dead but his soul lives on in the black smoke. The black smoke takes on the form of other dead people, including his own dead body. Keep in mind what Locke in the sideways timeline said to Jack at the*beginning*of the season: "How can they know where your dad is? They lost his body, not your dad."
  • If when the brother entered the "light" and the light went out, then what is there now to protect on the island?
  • Clearly the woman who raised Jacob and his brother (Fake Mother) could not have single-handedly killed all the village people. She would have been killed by one of the villagers.
  • Who created the rule that the brother could not leave the island unless the protector was dead?


Answers:
  • The origins of Jacob and his brother. They are human, but given special abilities by the protector of the island.
  • The protector of the island is the one who sets the rules. The rules carry on existing even after the protector is dead.
  • The boy that MIB (brother/man in black) randomly saw in two episodes was indeed Jacob.
  • Adam Eve in the cave are in fact MIB and his mother. Not Rose and Bernard as would have been the better explanation IMO.
  • The protector of the island never ages.
  • The reason MIB (brother/man in black) is ageless is because he has already died. The reason he can't be killed is because he's already dead. Madness.
  • Jacob cares about the moral integrity of men because he simply wants to believe they can be good, due to what fake mom said about all men being bad.


Theories:
  • Only the one who has been selected to protect the island could find the "energy" (light) of the island. Or maybe it really was extremely hard to find (keep in mind the brother trecked the island for 30 years without ever finding it). Maybe it's inside the volcano which was mentioned in season 3, which would enable them to talk more about the volcano and Ben's girlfriend Annie from when they were young - which the writers back then said would have some significance.
  • About the time period: either it was set in a time after America was colonised (1500's +), or if we pass off the clear spoken American English as a way for the producers to not have to use subtitles while they spoke Latin (with bad*pronunciation*I might add) then it was set in ancient Roman times. Also need to consider the fact that they had an ancient board game and the men wore tribal clothes with tribal*inscriptions*on their weapons.
  • A long time ago, Locke (after being chased by something that sounded like the smoke monster)*said that he looked into the "eye of the island" and what he saw was beautiful. He later elaborated to Eko that it was a bright light which he saw. We still do not know if this perhaps was another smoke monster that we have yet to have seen - maybe indeed the Protector can turn into a smoke monster - a light version of it.
  • Fake mom killed all the villagers by becoming a smoke monster, or maybe she was invincible. That then raises the question how did she get killed by the brother, and how did Jacob get killed by Ben? Maybe only candidates and ex-candidates can kill the Protector.
 
Inazuma said:
Thought I'd start writing about LOST in my blog. I ended up writing quite a bit:

Quite an interesting episode that revealed a lot but also raised many more questions. Also gave an annoyingly accurate quote about LOST in general:

"Any answers I give will only lead to more questions."

New questions raised:
  • What time period was this set in? They can speak Latin, but prefer speaking English - notably they are speaking with American accents.
  • What exactly happened to Jacob's brother? I believe that his body is dead but his soul lives on in the black smoke. The black smoke takes on the form of other dead people, including his own dead body. Keep in mind what Locke in the sideways timeline said to Jack at the*beginning*of the season: "How can they know where your dad is? They lost his body, not your dad."
  • If when the brother entered the "light" and the light went out, then what is there now to protect on the island?
  • Clearly the woman who raised Jacob and his brother (Fake Mother) could not have single-handedly killed all the village people. She would have been killed by one of the villagers.
  • Who created the rule that the brother could not leave the island unless the protector was dead?


Answers:
  • The origins of Jacob and his brother. They are human, but given special abilities by the protector of the island.
  • The protector of the island is the one who sets the rules. The rules carry on existing even after the protector is dead.
  • The boy that MIB (brother/man in black) randomly saw in two episodes was indeed Jacob.
  • Adam Eve in the cave are in fact MIB and his mother. Not Rose and Bernard as would have been the better explanation IMO.
  • The protector of the island never ages.
  • The reason MIB (brother/man in black) is ageless is because he has already died. The reason he can't be killed is because he's already dead. Madness.
  • Jacob cares about the moral integrity of men because he simply wants to believe they can be good, due to what fake mom said about all men being bad.


Theories:
  • Only the one who has been selected to protect the island could find the "energy" (light) of the island. Or maybe it really was extremely hard to find (keep in mind the brother trecked the island for 30 years without ever finding it). Maybe it's inside the volcano which was mentioned in season 3, which would enable them to talk more about the volcano and Ben's girlfriend Annie from when they were young - which the writers back then said would have some significance.
  • About the time period: either it was set in a time after America was colonised (1500's +), or if we pass off the clear spoken American English as a way for the producers to not have to use subtitles while they spoke Latin (with bad*pronunciation*I might add) then it was set in ancient Roman times. Also need to consider the fact that they had an ancient board game and the men wore tribal clothes with tribal*inscriptions*on their weapons.
  • A long time ago, Locke (after being chased by something that sounded like the smoke monster)*said that he looked into the "eye of the island" and what he saw was beautiful. He later elaborated to Eko that it was a bright light which he saw. We still do not know if this perhaps was another smoke monster that we have yet to have seen - maybe indeed the Protector can turn into a smoke monster - a light version of it.
  • Fake mom killed all the villagers by becoming a smoke monster, or maybe she was invincible. That then raises the question how did she get killed by the brother, and how did Jacob get killed by Ben? Maybe only candidates and ex-candidates can kill the Protector.
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http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Across_the_Sea

Has a lot of confirmed theories & facts, other basic episode information broken down from key points and info throughout both this and past episodes :)
 
Clearly they had no idea who Adam and Eve were going to be and this just turned out good for them. They put the bodies in there back in season one as just a little touch but everyone decided to pick up on it, asking who they were, relentlessly. It just seemed too 'over elaborate' with the way they decided to show the whole bodies part, going back to those scenes from season one. It seems like they were just trying to wedge it in there and showing us 'Look, heres your Adam and Eve, remember, this proves our point that we had it all planned', when it really doesn't considering the fact that they only started planning that Jacob would become an onscreen character during season three.

Locke looked into the light of the island, I'm assuming thats the big beaming light that everyone is protecting. I heard that this episode was set in 23 A.D. therefore being set during the Roman era. But then we never saw the Taweret statue on the island in this episode, so how did all of the Egyptian cultural references get onto the island considering the Egyptians existed thousands of years before the Romans? A pretty gaping plothole there if that isn't explained.

A lot of that episode was decent, but then a lot of it was just ridiculous. The way the fake-mother explained how they can't kill each other, 'I've made it so you can't hurt each other'. O Rly? I just found that a bit limp of an explanation. Lost really could have done with seven seasons like they originally planned, with a full season dedicated to this Jacob/Man in Black stuff and a way to explain everything better, or at least give more developed answers than some of the flimsy crap we've been given up to now.
 
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Inazuma said:
Thought I'd start writing about LOST in my blog. I ended up writing quite a bit:

Quite an interesting episode that revealed a lot but also raised many more questions. Also gave an annoyingly accurate quote about LOST in general:

"Any answers I give will only lead to more questions."

New questions raised:
  • What time period was this set in? They can speak Latin, but prefer speaking English - notably they are speaking with American accents.
    Claudia was Roman, as her name suggests. Also the Dagger MIB was carrying has been confirmed to be a Roman dagger
  • What exactly happened to Jacob's brother? I believe that his body is dead but his soul lives on in the black smoke. The black smoke takes on the form of other dead people, including his own dead body. Keep in mind what Locke in the sideways timeline said to Jack at the*beginning*of the season: "How can they know where your dad is? They lost his body, not your dad."
    Yup seems like MIB is still kicking as smokey, a fate worse than death it seems
  • If when the brother entered the "light" and the light went out, then what is there now to protect on the island?
    Good question, will be interesting to see how this plays out but im betting the light didn't go out completely.
  • Clearly the woman who raised Jacob and his brother (Fake Mother) could not have single-handedly killed all the village people. She would have been killed by one of the villagers.
    Its probably safe to say shes the one that killed them all. It was a VERY small village. Causing a massive fire in the village would certainly be a good way of killing them all, especially if it was done while they were all asleep.
  • Who created the rule that the brother could not leave the island unless the protector was dead?


Theories:
  • Only the one who has been selected to protect the island could find the "energy" (light) of the island. Or maybe it really was extremely hard to find (keep in mind the brother trecked the island for 30 years without ever finding it). Maybe it's inside the volcano which was mentioned in season 3, which would enable them to talk more about the volcano and Ben's girlfriend Annie from when they were young - which the writers back then said would have some significance.
    I still reckon the Volcano will come back into play somehow, especially if theres a 'series finale' coming up. The words Volcano and Series Finale go together quite nicely
  • About the time period: either it was set in a time after America was colonised (1500's +), or if we pass off the clear spoken American English as a way for the producers to not have to use subtitles while they spoke Latin (with bad*pronunciation*I might add) then it was set in ancient Roman times. Also need to consider the fact that they had an ancient board game and the men wore tribal clothes with tribal*inscriptions*on their weapons.
    As above Claudia was Roman, and yeah the English as you say is just ease on the producers part, they did it in a previous episode with Sayid
  • A long time ago, Locke (after being chased by something that sounded like the smoke monster)*said that he looked into the "eye of the island" and what he saw was beautiful. He later elaborated to Eko that it was a bright light which he saw. We still do not know if this perhaps was another smoke monster that we have yet to have seen - maybe indeed the Protector can turn into a smoke monster - a light version of it.
    I wouldn't be surprised at all if smokey took some if not all of the light, remember the Mother said that everyone has a little bit inside them but men always want more..
  • Fake mom killed all the villagers by becoming a smoke monster, or maybe she was invincible. That then raises the question how did she get killed by the brother, and how did Jacob get killed by Ben? Maybe only candidates and ex-candidates can kill the Protector.
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Not sure about anyone else but I'm becoming increasingly annoyed at Lost..

I'm up to date with it all, including the new series ep16 or whatever..

Bored!

It's turning into a fantasy epic. Not sure what I was expecting. Desmond and Faraday should be in every episode, then it will be interesting...

Maybe I like the sci fi aspect more, the sci fi that is totally out of this world yet still somehow slightly acceptable if you know what I mean, almost Star Trek ish... totally fiction but fundamentally certain things could happen.

Not this fantasy magical rubbish... may as well watch lord of the rings.
 
Wyrdo said:
No, Jacob's brother is dead. MIB is not Jacob's brother. Maybe?!
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Jacobs brother is MIB who is the Smoke Monster.
'A fate worse than death for going into the source' - implies that he didn't die when he got sucked in.

The Substitue -

MIB/LOCKE: What I am is trapped. And I've been trapped for so long that I
don't even remember what it feels like to be free. Maybe you can
understand that. But before I was trapped, I was a man, James. Just like
you.
SAWYER: I'm havin' a hard time believin' that...
MIB/LOCKE: You can believe whatever you want, that's the truth. I
know what it's like to feel joy... to feel pain, anger, fear... to
experience betrayal. I know what it's like to lose someone you love. So
if you wanna shoot me, shoot me. But you're so close, James. It would be
such a shame to turn back now.

Ab Aeterno -
MIB to Richard
"You're not the only one who's lost something, my friend. The devil betrayed me. He took my body. My humanity.

Totally agree about Faraday and Desmond :). Looks like Faraday will be back in one if not all of the last few episodes though in some form if rumors are to be believed.
 
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Also just came across this, thought it was quite funny :p
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I remember how the chinese man who protected the temple, he said the only way to kill smokey was to not let him speak and drive a dagger through his chest.... thats how jacobs brother killed the fake mom
 
Locke said "Hello Sayid" or something like that just before Sayid got to stab him.

Btw the chinese man at the temple was Japanese ;) In fact he played a major character in The Last Samurai
 
I think its safe to say that I hated the most recent episode. I sat for the hour going is that it ... :( What should have been a revelation went out with nothing more than a whimper :(
I now have absolutely no expectations for the finale.
 
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