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Dicehunter said:
You can't really stab someone in the back when you were never really besties to begin with.

If you upload videos for the entire planet to watch then you have to accept that you open yourself up for scrutiny.

When Steve messes something up, And he no doubt will, He'll also rightfully be open to criticism.
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And it was linus employee who drew first blood critisising nexus and unboxing channel for no reason...

They deserve what's coming
 
Ross Thomson said:
why? The main point of that video was the bilet labs thing. The rest of it was icing on the cake. Only people that are going to not look favorable have been drinking the LTT cool aid. If LTT had owned up before hand there wouldn't have been an issue.
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And if he Diddnt spout **** about other tech youtubers, we would not have had this thread
 
Abraxaz1 said:
They would struggle to get a patent for it. As it's a mixture of preexisting ideas jumbled together without a original standout component. For an example see the the majority of water blocks are not protected by patents due to the non uniqueness but the something like the original idea of a water block and pump combined is

No I don't love LMG. I know they aren't a factual information source it's entertainment, but people are acting like Steve is the Messiah despite the fact he's been up to some very sketchy things in the past.
Also acting like Steve has no vested interest in attacking a rival? Like if he was for the truth or to help billet why didn't he contact Linus?

It's obvious that the issue has been caused by one of linuses staff, but people are acting like Linus stole the item himself and.ignored billets emails personally.
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I really think you should actually watch the video on 0.25 speed it clearly went too fast for you.

The "attack" wasn't on Linus it was on Linus Tech Tips as a company, the only time he directly crititised Linus was when he himself was talking crap on the WAN show. The majority of the critisism was more about the top down management of the company, overworking and underdelivering. The odd comment about Linus was purely about his personal attitude to the problems he raised and related to the very issues he was raising.

Again... i know, i know i'm still going it.
 
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Chuk_Chuk said:
You realise there are two way to interpret the last sentence right because it is actually quite vague? He doesn't actually state who they agreed with. He never said that "we had already agreed with billet labs to compensate them on the cost of the prototype". Yet that is how everyone is reading it.

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So maybe Linus was lying through his teeth or maybe Linus was talking about an agreement being made internally. We don't know but don't let that let that stop your biases and emotions guiding you to the answer you want to be true. I will wait for more information.
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EDIT: yeah see below
 
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Abraxaz1 said:
He wasn't given the opportunity to apologize, imagine finding out someone in your business ***** up and then you are brigaded on multiple platforms. The fact it's been 'resolved' in quick succession shows he's trying.

But we have the higher than thou brigade out.

Also patent it? It's a block designed for a soon to be obsolete socket and a 3090ti. Billet have come out of this the winner a large sum of money for a basic copper block with off the shelf tubing.
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Erm, HWUB callled him out on Twitter I think about the lab employee dissing them. But that didn’t get addressed and things started to escalate due to lack of taking responsibility.

Then GN video came out and that didn’t get addressed either.

I mean there have been plenty opportunities.
 
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kieran_read said:
I really think you should actually watch the video on 0.25 speed it clearly went too fast for you.

The "attack" wasn't on Linus it was on Linus Tech Tips as a company, the only time he directly crititised Linus was when he himself was talking crap on the WAN show. The majority of the critisism was more about the top down management of the company, overworking and underdelivering. The odd comment about Linus was purely about his personal attitude to the problems he raised and related to the very issues he was raising.

Again... i know, i know i'm still going it.
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Well unfortunately as Linus is the figure head for his company people seem to think lmg=Linus

We've got people in this thread hoping that his company fails because something got lost in stores and sold...
**** like that happens in every company but it doesn't result in mass abuse of the CEO.

It's strange that people are siding with Steve so strongly when a few years ago they were calling him shile to intel and Nvidia.
 
pc-guy said:
Erm, HWUB callled him out on Twitter I think about the lab employee dissing them. But that didn’t get addressed and things started to escalate due to lack of taking responsibility.

Then GN video came out and that didn’t get addressed either.

I mean there have been plenty opportunities.
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Is Linus meant to be a dictatorship now?

I'm confused, is Linus now responsible for everyone every body says in his company.
 
I trust my gut on these things. I'm looking to buy a used car from either GN or LTT, I wouldn't be calling LTT. They just give me that used car salesman vibe...
 
Abraxaz1 said:
Is Linus meant to be a dictatorship now?

I'm confused, is Linus now responsible for everyone every body says in his company.
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He was yes as CEO of the company, but recently stepped down from that role. He said in the recent WAN show he did that he was CEO during some of the mentioned videos at the time.
In practical terms of course not, but in terms of when an incident like this happens, and a video gets scrutinized for something someone said, where that video got watched, deemed to be suitable for mass worldwide viewing, yes, the CEO is ultimately responsible.
 
jaybee said:
If Linus had meant that he would have written something like:

"we had already agreed internally that we would compensate Billet labs"

yet he wrote "we had already agreed with Billet labs to compensate them on the cost of the prototype".

Even introducing commas in the above would not change the meaning. He clearly meant that to mean that they had made contact with Billet, and agreed a compensation amount. That was unfortunately for Linus, a proven lie.
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Either the previous poster transcribed Linus’ response incorrectly in which case you are correct there is only one way to read it.

Or you have transcribed the response post incorrectly.
 
Troezar said:
I trust my gut on these things. I'm looking to buy a used car from either GN or LTT, I wouldn't be calling LTT. They just give me that used car salesman vibe...
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Haha.

Not a long time fan of GN then.

a lot of people seem to have forgotten the shill years or weren't around then
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
That's fine, have your opinion.


So you didn't really complete your sentence but I'm guessing what you are trying to say is that Linus should have known that it needs to be returned and he should not have sold it. Is that fair?

You realise that some companies do let them keep stuff because it's not worth the effort of sending it back?

He has no way of knowing what conversation has happened between his team and billet lab and what arrangement was made. If a leader is second guessing every decision his team is making then that company won't last. If his team hands him a box of items and tells him to auction in it. He can't go digging through it and double checking their work. The processes should be in place to do that for him.

Genuine question does your team leader micro manage you at work? Or are you the team leader doing the micro managing? Because I don't understand how anyone thinks this is a practical way for a business to work. Surely you have experience in an actual company right not a tiny mom and pop store. How do you think it is practical for one man to micro manage everything?


I didn't say anything because I still need to watch the video and read the response. However I'm not going to trust someone rundown of the situation when their bias/emotions has led them to conclude that one person should be micro managing and double checking the work of a 100+ person company.


Depends on what is being auctioned. Also if we are speculating, senior could just mean the person who is the head of the warehouse where this stuff is being stored. and I can guarantee ;) that the person running the warehouse is in a different team to the people who are in direct communication with companies for video ideas.

Also see above about micro managing.


You realise there are two way to interpret the last sentence right because it is actually quite vague? He doesn't actually state who they agreed with. He never said that "we had already agreed with billet labs to compensate them on the cost of the prototype". Yet that is how everyone is reading it.

You realise that external payment and compensation is not a decision that the initial LMG employee could have made and would need to be escalated internally? Just to avoid confusion that doesn't mean going straight to the CEO for a decision.

So the other way to read it is that internally this was raised and a decison was made to pay them. It could have been waiting for a final sign off for all we know. Only 4 days had passed between the email and GNs video.

So maybe Linus was lying through his teeth or maybe Linus was talking about an agreement being made internally. We don't know but don't let that let that stop your biases and emotions guiding you to the answer you want to be true. I will wait for more information.
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At no point have I suggested he micro manages all 120 staff but he is responsible for the said process or lack there of. He was part of the original awful video of the CPU cooler. He doubled down about it all when his team said to retest it properly.

His team then failed in correspondence of the return and they did nothing about it for weeks at a time after multiple promises to get it sorted by said team.

He then came in and said as a company we have agreed to compensate Billet without knowing if they would agree to that but also then lied about any conversations that may have taken place and is in denial because how did suddenly it go from no correspondence to Linus directly emailing saying hey we will pay you for it now. There was no prior knowledge and no discussion about what the compensation should be, if Billet would be happy with such and all that and making it sound like GN was in wrong when it literally took that video for anything to happen.

If you know that was an issue where is any sort of email to apologise about it being auctioned and asking what they can do to compensate. He called out that PC company for their cooling case where they wouldn't offer a refund and said they should have communicated with the people whom funded and wouldn't cover the product but when it comes to him and their team then they have done nothing.

You are suggesting that the employee knew the mistake, raised it internally and then they sat on it right till a video dropped and oh wait yeah we got it all sorted but we just haven't got around to talking to the company themselves yet. Yeah okay then. That some made up rubbish from Linus and that be his lie right there. Yeah they might have discussed it within that day, what happened to the previous days prior, or the weeks etc. It doesn't add up and he's caught in the situation where there is at most a half truth in that they knew they needed to do something but their response was as good as Asus was for their secret shopper lol.

Own it and make a proper apology not half-ass it and pretend it not a big issue.
 
jaybee said:
He was yes as CEO of the company, but recently stepped down from that role. He said in the recent WAN show he did that he was CEO during some of the mentioned videos at the time.
In practical terms of course not, but in terms of when an incident like this happens, and a video gets scrutinized for something someone said, where that video got watched, deemed to be suitable for mass worldwide viewing, yes, the CEO is ultimately responsible.
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Again.
It's a middle management issue, do you think Linus was incharge of the final product when it went out? Nope it's going through a production manager.

I think Linus has promoted too many friends to management roles and they are not up to the task.

Either the staff liaise with billet didn't tell the manager or the manager failed to push it up hill. Same with the "call out"
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Either the previous poster transcribed Linus’ response incorrectly in which case you are correct there is only one way to read it.

Or you have transcribed the response post incorrectly.
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Sorry I think I put "the" instead of "their" but anyway here is the official response again:


"To Steve, I expressed my disappointment that he didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece. He has my email and number (along with numerous other members of our team) and could have asked me for context that may have proven to be valuable (like the fact that we didn't 'sell' the monoblock, but rather auctioned it for charity due to a miscommunication... AND the fact that while we haven't sent payment yet, we have already agreed to compensate Billet Labs for the cost of their prototype). There are other issues, but I've told him that I won't be drawn into a public sniping match over this and that I'll be continuing to move forward in good faith as part of 'Team Media'. When/if he's ready to do so again I'll be ready."
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