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Abraxaz1 said:
And Steve could have told Linus before going public so he could sort it out as its obvious he was oblivious to it.

The only way the brigading mob will be satisfied is if Linus fails or he fires someone and that's a tad ****** up. Just see the **** being said about him on his forum by GN fan boys.

Not of a **** up on both parts, but oneside has just stabbed a friend in the back for YouTube views. And it will be noted by others.
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Did you tell Linus first that you would be making a comment? Apparently that is "proper journalistic practices".
 
Abraxaz1 said:
It's strange that people are siding with Steve so strongly when a few years ago they were calling him shile to intel and Nvidia.
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It's a completely warped way of thinking to suggest people have to "side" with one e-celeb or another and take into account a bunch of unrelated past drama for some reason. Sane people are taking the "side" of the evidence as presented, not the person presenting it. The rest getting emotional and defensive about the object of their parasocial affections really need to take a few days off from the internet.
 
Curlyriff said:
At no point have I suggested he micro manages all 120 staff
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Just some of them then :p

Curlyriff said:
but he is responsible for the said process or lack there of
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We finally got there in the end. I agree he is/was responsible for the process.

Curlyriff said:
His team then failed in correspondence of the return and they did nothing about it for weeks at a time after multiple promises to get it sorted by said team.
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It was weeks to send off the prototype. Or when ever the video came out.

However it has only been 4 days since the issue of selling it off was discovered.

Curlyriff said:
If you know that was an issue where is any sort of email to apologise about it being auctioned and asking what they can do to compensate.
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I agree they should have apologised but that is on the competence or lack of in this case of the LMG employee that was dealing with them. However we haven’t seen the actual email so we don’t know what was said.
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You are suggesting that the employee knew the mistake, raised it internally and then they sat on it right till a video dropped and oh wait yeah we got it all sorted but we just haven't got around to talking to the company themselves yet. Yeah okay then. That some made up rubbish from Linus and that be his lie right there.
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Go look at billet labs, own breakdown. Of the situation. It has only been 4 days ( worst case depending on time zones.)

A response in 4 days is pretty good going. I’ve been waiting for some information at work that I requested back in May. Yes I’ve been chasing up on a nearly weekly basis. Still no idea when im going to get that information.

Now that is on the extreme end of things but it goes to show that decisions can happen at glacial paces because everyone is busy and have their own priorities.

Do you think that this is only thing they are dealing with? They have other jobs they can be getting on with and each person has their own priorities. Priorities change in response to situations, like a video dropping that criticises your company.

A Rule for working in a corporation. Just because something is critical to you doesn’t make it critical to everyone else.
 
Aretak said:
It's a completely warped way of thinking to suggest people have to "side" with one e-celeb or another and take into account a bunch of unrelated past drama for some reason. Sane people are taking the "side" of the evidence as presented, not the person presenting it. The rest getting emotional and defensive about the object of their parasocial affections really need to take a few days off from the internet.
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Yea I wouldn't disregard the facts even if it was putin presenting LTT 's mess
 
I've followed and watched LTT and the relevant channels for around maybe 8 years now at this point I think, I started watching a little while before they moved from the house to their first studio. I've felt recently, well, the past couple of years, I've found myself watching a lot less of their content, not so much of it appeals to me any more. But of what I do watch, I can agree with Steve that there's a huge amount of inaccuracies, whether they are annotated in the video, or pinned as a comment or just plain missed altogether, it's not great at all. You would think a company with their resources should be able to get some of the basic information correct and to check their own data. But that comes back to how rushed everything feels too, they're just pumping videos out all the time which has driven quality down. I look forward to the WAN show mostly these days, and the odd server or house content they do these days.

I feel very disappointed in the way Linus has handled this so far. It goes against everything he says he stands for. He should have made a statement thanking Steve for his feedback and that he'd endeavour to improve and make things right, or something along those lines. Instead he's done himself no favours at all with what he's said. I really hope he has a change of heart and makes this right.

I have high hopes for LTT Labs, it's something that us as consumers need, and hopefully it will give LTT needs to make their content accurate in future.

Then of course the whole Billet Labs situation, which is inexcusable. I feel for them for being screwed over like they have been. Even ignoring the sale auction of the item, their poor testing in the video by using the wrong GPU, it's just a mess which should have never seen the light of day. Regarding the rest of the matter, it's proven LMG to be straight up liars which I am really let down about.

I am a fan of LMG, I do like Linus, I want to see LMG and especially the Labs succeed. But they clearly have a lot of work to do internally. Linus needs to face this head on rather than sweeping it under the rug and pointing the blame elsewhere. The next few days will certainly be interesting to see how this unfolds. Linus said there will be no WAN show topic over this, but I can't see how they can't not talk about it at this point.

When I first saw the GN video come up in my feed, I thought it was going to be some needless attack over insignificant things. But kudos to Steve, he's put together a good video of facts and I actually got the feeling he didn't enjoy having to do so either.

I can only hope for better things to come.
 
Aretak said:
It's a completely warped way of thinking to suggest people have to "side" with one e-celeb or another and take into account a bunch of unrelated past drama for some reason. Sane people are taking the "side" of the evidence as presented, not the person presenting it. The rest getting emotional and defensive about the object of their parasocial affections really need to take a few days off from the internet.
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But their not...

They are making out.that Linus had known that his staff had ****** up and had in fact stolen the card and cooler himself and sold it. When in reality he didn't know about any of this.

Steve knew Linus didn't know about this hence why he didn't tell him, hence why he monetised the last video.

If this was in a work place and someone went public instead of talking to the person to resolve a issue they didn't even know they had for their own self gain we'd all be calling them out for being a snake.

But it's a loosing battle, people like to hate on the popular stuff. I give up people won't be happy on here till LMG is bankrupt and we're back to low effort gamers nexus style YouTube videos
 
Aretak said:
It's a completely warped way of thinking to suggest people have to "side" with one e-celeb or another and take into account a bunch of unrelated past drama for some reason. Sane people are taking the "side" of the evidence as presented, not the person presenting it. The rest getting emotional and defensive about the object of their parasocial affections really need to take a few days off from the internet.
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It's typical online tribal behavior, Those same people will argue FOR a multi billion dollar company like AMD, Intel, Nvidia etc... that has no idea any of these people exist.
 
Abraxaz1 said:
But their not...

They are making out.that Linus had known that his staff had ****** up and had in fact stolen the card and cooler himself and sold it. When in reality he didn't know about any of this.

Steve knew Linus didn't know about this hence why he didn't tell him, hence why he monetised the last video.

If this was in a work place and someone went public instead of talking to the person to resolve a issue they didn't even know they had for their own self gain we'd all be calling them out for being a snake.

But it's a loosing battle, people like to hate on the popular stuff. I give up people won't be happy on here till LMG is bankrupt and we're back to low effort gamers nexus style YouTube videos
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What does LTT have on you.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
You realise there are two way to interpret the last sentence right because it is actually quite vague? He doesn't actually state who they agreed with. He never said that "we had already agreed with billet labs to compensate them on the cost of the prototype". Yet that is how everyone is reading it.

You realise that external payment and compensation is not a decision that the initial LMG employee could have made and would need to be escalated internally? Just to avoid confusion that doesn't mean going straight to the CEO for a decision.

So the other way to read it is that internally this was raised and a decison was made to pay them. It could have been waiting for a final sign off for all we know. Only 4 days had passed between the email and GNs video.

So maybe Linus was lying through his teeth or maybe Linus was talking about an agreement being made internally. We don't know but don't let that let that stop your biases and emotions guiding you to the answer you want to be true. I will wait for more information.
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I know there is more than one way to "interpret" what he said and I understand the interpretation Linus was hoping most people would make in the absence of any further time-line information. That's why I called it misleading...because it was.
 
jaybee said:
Enlighten me. What is the floatplane thing? What do subbers get? I watch LTT channel at times and have heard this mentioned but forgot what it is.
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It's their own streaming service. No free option. Has special videos just for the subscribers too.


Not just them there though, Forgotten Weapons, Dankpods, 3D Printing Nerd and a few others. Not many though. Prices vary.
 
andy_mk3 said:
I can only hope for better things to come.
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Watching some of the "engineers" come in i.e. Alex, and watching him basically misuse every single tool is just painful.

Linus has built a brand on light hearted reviews and "fun", trying to pivot half heartedly into serious reviews and "testing" under the same brand is, imho, a very expensive gamble.
 
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Ross Thomson said:
What does LTT have on you.
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Nothing. At all

I just distrust witch-hunts, especially when they are started by the competition.

It's just coming across really suspicious and the fall of ltt will aid the person that pushed the witch hunt into action.

Plus some of the rhetoric of the brigade has set me against them in moral reasons
 
Thread has expanded since this morning it seems :o

It's not a witch hunt if the accusations are well founded, which they are, because there's documented evidence of everything being claimed, and none of it can be excused away like some people are attempting to.
 
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Abraxaz1 said:
But their not...

They are making out.that Linus had known that his staff had ****** up and had in fact stolen the card and cooler himself and sold it. When in reality he didn't know about any of this.

Steve knew Linus didn't know about this hence why he didn't tell him, hence why he monetised the last video.

If this was in a work place and someone went public instead of talking to the person to resolve a issue they didn't even know they had for their own self gain we'd all be calling them out for being a snake.

But it's a loosing battle, people like to hate on the popular stuff. I give up people won't be happy on here till LMG is bankrupt and we're back to low effort gamers nexus style YouTube videos
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You know a bad company owner usually ends up owning a bad company right? Some people can Forrest Gump a firm along for a while, but it usually ends badly.
 
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