LTT called out

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MCFC_ANDY said:
surely Billet Labs would have a slam dunk legal case if went down that route, could score some major wonga if they wanted too
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Hmm idk - they're a small UK based company probably with a relatively small budget for legal fees trying to take on a much larger company based in Canada. Might struggle to demonstrate what damage it did to them too.
 
It makes me incredibly sad, but unsurprised that there appears to be more discussion about a hunk of metal that LTT was originally allowed to keep than there is about the place being full of sexist, bullying and toxic staff who haven't been held to account for making someone's life such a misery they resorted to cutting themselves so they could finally get a break.
 
MissChief said:
It makes me incredibly sad, but unsurprised that there appears to be more discussion about a hunk of metal that LTT was originally allowed to keep than there is about the place being full of sexist, bullying and toxic staff who haven't been held to account for making someone's life such a misery they resorted to cutting themselves so they could finally get a break.
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Agreed, Madison's claims took this whole discussion into another dimension for me. Company ending accusations.
 
Twinz said:
Please read what Linus wrote:

"To Steve, I expressed my disappointment that he didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece. He has my email and number (along with numerous other members of our team) and could have asked me for context that may have proven to be valuable (like the fact that we didn't 'sell' the monoblock, but rather auctioned it for charity due to a miscommunication... AND the fact that while we haven't sent payment yet, we have already agreed to compensate Billet Labs for the cost of
their prototype)."

He references two "facts" that "may have proven valuable" for "context" if GN had contacted them whilst creating the peice.

The only way his "already agreed to compensate Billet" statement could have any value while creating the peice, is if compensation was agreed to before the video was posted.

How would the second "fact" Linus lists have any contextual value otherwise?

There could be no "valuable" "context" for the creation of the video unless said "fact" happened before the video went live.

The intented interpretation doesn't seem very mysterious here. These two sentences were placed together, in this order, to communicate that if GN had only contacted Linus before publishing the video, GN would have learned that Linus had "already" agreed to make things right with Billet.
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I can read perfectly well thank you.

The statement is ambiguous and not conclusive in either direction. That’s all you can determine from it if you actually look at it objectively.


You have no evidence either way, there is no evidence either way. Your own personal bias is leading you to something which isn’t support by the available evidence because there simply isn’t enough evidence available to determine what was meant by it because the statement in itself was ambiguous.
 
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Linus makes a lot more mistakes than people realise, they have the ability to edit videos inplace on YouTube where others would have to do a takedown and reup.
 
JonRGV250 said:
I’m half way through watching it, and Steve’s certainly calling him out for his sloppy work.
I stopped watching anything LMG quite a while ago as it seems more of money making machine than anything else.
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I always thought of them as entertainers not the place to go to for serious analysis. Have they been trying to rebrand as a Gamers Nexus or something?
 
ltron said:
I always thought of them as entertainers not the place to go to for serious analysis. Have they been trying to rebrand as a Gamers Nexus or something?
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This whole Linus Labs thing is their attempt to become serious reviewers, and this spat started when some LMG employees basically dumped on HUB and GN about accuracy
 
ltron said:
I always thought of them as entertainers not the place to go to for serious analysis. Have they been trying to rebrand as a Gamers Nexus or something?
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Tbh I've always thought this. GN for really serious, deep dives, LTT for a less intense, more entertainment style coverage, although the way they were decking out the labs made me think they were trying to move to way more in depth coverage, perhaps stepping on GN's toes a little.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I can read perfectly well thank you.

The statement is ambiguous and not conclusive in either direction. That’s all you can determine from it if you actually look at it objectively.


You have no evidence either way, there is no evidence either way. Your own personal bias is leading you to something which isn’t support by the available evidence because there simply isn’t enough evidence available to determine what was meant by it because the statement in itself was ambiguous.
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Serriously?

How could the second fact have any contextual value with "already" taking place after the video is posted?

If you "can read pefectly well", (you're welcome) what contextual value, to the GN video, do you see when you read the second "fact" linus lists in some other interpretation. (Presumably without any bias whatsoever on your part, of course).

Just to ensure it doesn't get forgotten in the back and forth, this is the statement you find "ambiguious":

"To Steve, I expressed my disappointment that he didn't go through proper journalistic practices in creating this piece. He has my email and number (along with numerous other members of our team) and could have asked me for context that may have proven to be valuable (like the fact that we didn't 'sell' the monoblock, but rather auctioned it for charity due to a miscommunication... AND the fact that while we haven't sent payment yet, we have already agreed to compensate Billet Labs for the cost of
their prototype)."
 
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Twinz said:
Serriously?

How could the second fact have any contextual value with "already" taking place after the video is posted?

If you "can read pefectly well", (you're welcome) what contextual value, to the GN video, do you see when you read the second "fact" linus lists in some other interpretation. (Presumably without any bias whatsoever on your part, of course).
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It’s an ambiguous statement which literally means open to or having several possible meanings or interpretations.

The definition of ‘already’ is simply before the present time.

It does not imply when they agreed to pay billet labs before GN dropped their video it also doesn’t imply it was after, hence ‘ambiguous’. You can not draw any further conclusions from it other than it was before he had made the post which is true.

You may be right, you also might not be. As it stands there simply isn’t enough evidence to say in either direction. If more evidence comes to light, things may change but as it stands you simply can not draw any objective conclusion on what was meant by that statement.

There is also the whole innocent until proven guilty thing but I know cancel culture and internet pitchforks doesn’t approve of that.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
It’s an ambiguous statement which literally means open to or having several possible meanings or interpretations.

The definition of ‘already’ is simply before the present time.

It does not imply when they agreed to pay billet labs before GN dropped their video it also doesn’t imply it was after, hence ‘ambiguous’. You can not draw any further conclusions from it other than it was before he had made the post which is true.

You may be right, you also might not be. As it stands there simply isn’t enough evidence to say in either direction. If more evidence comes to light, things may change but as it stands you simply can not draw any objective conclusion on what was meant by that statement.

There is also the whole innocent until proven guilty thing but I know cancel culture and internet pitchforks doesn’t approve of that.
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You did not answer my question.
 
Only ever watched some very early LTT videos and thought they were not very good, leaving aside his annoying voice and terrible earring.

But the 'influencer' entertainment vibe and cult like community is enough to put me off for ever.
 
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