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**Mafia 2 Benchmark thread**

Thats the thing... you don't really notice it when your actually right in there playing... but after awhile of playing if you go back and play again with it off you notice the difference. Its like anti-aliasing once your used to it you notice its absence but when you never used it you don't think you'd notice it when actually playing.
 
mame said:
You're right, there is no comparison. That's why a GTX 460 should run it flawlessly against a console. I just don't see where the extra GPU power is going. How much more powerful is the GTX 460 over a PS3 GPU? 4x? 5x? Something not right here.
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Try the method below, improves performance drastically on a 480 and high physx, turn AA off and restart the game when doing so.

Originally Posted by kitch9 View Post
K, I've got Physx working on the GPU, here's what I did, I'm not sure what got it work out of these steps, but it did.

Uninstall Physx from Control Panel.

Go to Mafia 2 folder in Steamapps folder and manually install the Physx SS in there.

Go to Nvidia control panel and set Physx mode to CPU only, hit apply, set Physx mode to auto and hit apply.
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RavenXXX2 said:
Helps with the immersion when playing a game does physx and when you spend the big bucks on a card I expect some sweet GFX/effects. After playing mafia 2 with it on and with great performance I'm not going to knock it as much as I did.
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You're missing the point, not using physx can give you the same effects without the performance hit anyway, physx is purposefully, utterly crap, to persuade people to buy physx. The only difference between it, and other physx engines, is other ones aren't artificially borked on purpose.

Physx is lame, and a few bits of crap on the ground doesn't improve immersion, if the effects themselves are a step back in terms of realism, I shoot a window, the glass shatters in the wrong direction and the pieces stay behind after, all that does is leave a reminder of how the effects are less realistic than effects from games 4 years ago that can get the simple things right.

Fact is game runs great without physx, runs like a turd on the cpu because its purposefully NOT accelerated on the cpu using the slowest possible method to run it, and the result, is meh at best.

I'll happily be running the game with it off, then I probably won't have to deal with dissappearing glass and delayed unrealistic glass explosion effects, that honestly, are a joke.

If someone offered me, a tree that grows women who love to please men, and my garden gets full of them, I wouldn't take it if all the women were complete munters.

Therein lies the problem with physx, the idea is nice, but the debrie and effects you get, are crap, more crap stuff doesn't equal anything remotely good.

Lets not forget, again, NOTHING shown in the game is new, nothing is hard to create, Nvidia have PAID the dev's to most likely have their own team come in and essentially badly code some debrie effects, that anyone else could have done with any other engine, and then caused you to drop performance to use it. If you think thats a good thing, you're mental, theres two people in the world that will tell you these are brand new, ultra advanced, "night and day difference" effects, Nvidia, and Rroff, most other people are sane, can see the video's and see how unrealistic, how completely inaccurate, and how completely not remotely new these effects are.
 
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I have to say i'm much more impressed by the Apex cloth simulations than i was expecting. Albeit at slideshow framerates on my poor 8600GT lol

I'm really looking forward to the World of Darkness MMO as well that will be using it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrtwESnTOwY

I can understand peoples frustrations with the lack of OpenCL physics libraries, but i think ragging on PhysX has just gotten old now. Without TWIMTBP games you just wouldn't even have the option of these things. Implementing Physics like that is not a 5 minute job, and most developers simply wouldn't implement any fancy physics stuff on their own, it doesn't make commercial sense.

Until there are open libraries that people actually want to make good use of you are going to need money coming from somewhere to get these things done.

If you simply don't like or want PhysX, turn it off, end of story :)

EDIT: I still don't know how to embed a Youtube video on this forum properly, ******* nubcake that i am.
 
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GTX260 SLI, All settings maxed, PhysX High, AA On.


Something thats a bit weird... On every GTX260 config here, different clock rates, SLI or not on different machines (and from the people who've posted on here using similiar settings and a GTX260) the max framerate is always either 83.3 or 90.9 not sure if its related to PhysX.
 
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RavenXXX2 said:
Helps with the immersion when playing a game does physx and when you spend the big bucks on a card I expect some sweet GFX/effects. After playing mafia 2 with it on and with great performance I'm not going to knock it as much as I did.
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It really depends on the game.
In mirrors edge the glass fading or not fading is of little importance because most of the time your moving to fast to watch if its going to disappear over time.

Its all about a persons focus & what the developer wanted the player to focus on
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERt5Y4fGPrM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFLXttdV8Vg

I did not notice some of the stuff fading when i first watch these vids & that the point, its about what a person is going to notice without coercion because the average person is not going to hang round to look for fine details of realism in most games & equals wasted time, effort & resources in implementing & that's why NV go's through so much effort in coercing people to notice the difference with physx because much of it would go unnoticed.
 
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You see it's not just debris, you have dynamic clothes and other physx features available, and performance is excellent on a single 480 and high physx. Maybe it is purposely made to run like crap on a CPU and ATI suffers as a consequence, what can I say, I have an nvidia card, I can't complain.

@ Roff, the benchmark is not comparable to in game performance, I get way more FPS in the same section in game compared to the bench.
 
I did the benchmark with my 5870 on max settings, it got 13.2fps :/ This is at 1920x1200 btw. Then with PhysX off, it got 53.4fps.

I will say that even with PhsyX on and actually playing the game rather than the benchie, it played very well. I'm not a fan of PhsyX at all and I can play with it turned off any day.
 
p0rks0da said:
I have to say i'm much more impressed by the Apex cloth simulations than i was expecting. Albeit at slideshow framerates on my poor 8600GT lol

I'm really looking forward to the World of Darkness MMO as well that will be using it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrtwESnTOwY

I can understand peoples frustrations with the lack of OpenCL physics libraries, but i think ragging on PhysX has just gotten old now. Without TWIMTBP games you just wouldn't even have the option of these things. Implementing Physics like that is not a 5 minute job, and most developers simply wouldn't implement any fancy physics stuff on their own, it doesn't make commercial sense.

Until there are open libraries that people actually want to make good use of you are going to need money coming from somewhere to get these things done.

If you simply don't like or want PhysX, turn it off, end of story :)

EDIT: I still don't know how to embed a Youtube video on this forum properly, ******* nubcake that i am.
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You do it like this
 
Done some more

2560x1600 AA off Physix off
Average 53.8 fps
Max 125 fps
Min 7.9 fps

2560x1600 AA on physix off
Average 32.4 fps
Max 125 fps
min 7.9 fps

Allways seems to get the exact same max and min on the fps

Q9650 @3.3ghz
5870 @ 900/1225
4 gig ram
W7 64
 
RavenXXX2 said:
You see it's not just debris, you have dynamic clothes and other physx features available, and performance is excellent on a single 480 and high physx. Maybe it is purposely made to run like crap on a CPU and ATI suffers as a consequence, what can I say, I have an nvidia card, I can't complain.

@ Roff, the benchmark is not comparable to in game performance, I get way more FPS in the same section in game compared to the bench.
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He's now got a Fermi, and he's turned into a Physx zealot

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH RAVEN???


:D
 
tommybhoy said:
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Max Gfx + Max phys-x, Q6600 5870+hybrid phys-x 9800. All stock
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You sure physx is been done on the 9800? I can't get it to work on mine, as soon as I install the physx from the demo, fluidmark goes back to software and won't use my 9800gtx.

If you are sure it's working, any tips on how you did it please?

Ta
 
^^Have you tried the below method.
Uninstall Physx from Control Panel.

Go to Mafia 2 folder in Steamapps folder and manually install the Physx SS in there.

Go to Nvidia control panel and set Physx mode to CPU only, hit apply, set Physx mode to auto and hit apply.

Voila'
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