Have they said they will ditch it? Can't see it happening during the season?
Malaysia Grand Prix 2012, Kuala Lumpur - Race 2/20
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Have they said they will ditch it? Can't see it happening during the season?
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The 2010 car wasn't great (good, but not the fastest). Massa was around 3 to 4 tenths off Alonso.
Here are Massa's results before the accident:
DNF, 9th, DNF, 14th, 6th 4th, 6th, 4th, 4rd
Here are Massa's results after the accident:
2nd, 3rd, 7th, 9th, 6th, 4th 7th, 15th, 11th,
So immediately on his return he enjoyed two podiums (compared to Alonso's 3). In total he had 4 podiums and 13 top 10 finishes. That was decent enough.
Really it was late 2010 and 2011 where Massa appeared to become unstuck.
Lot's of rumours in Italian media that they will ditch it and have a new chassis around Spain, Ferrari keep denying it but generally the Italian media tends to be right more often than not
When would it be for? Is changing the front suspension something they can engineer into this chassis, or would they need to redesign the whole front end of the tub (and therefore the whole tub)? Be impressed to see how quickly they can turn it around if its a tub redesign.
With the fundamental design principle being based around having a high nose, the most they could likely do is round it off a bit. Its still going to be a platypus nose.
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Lot's of rumours in Italian media that they will ditch it and have a new chassis around Spain, Ferrari keep denying it but generally the Italian media tends to be right more often than not
If this happens, in essence all the hard work they did last year (remember, they stopped development of last year's car about mid-way through the season to concentrate on the 2012 car), will almost, have been in vain.
All that hard work and then to complete ditch the car. If it were me, I would find it difficult to swallow.
I'm still hoping that they learn more about the car and then as if by magic, suddenly begin to make it work.
Well if the car is not going to work then it's been in vain anyway, no point going on with a project that is a dead end and not going to be winning. Ferrari have denied it anyway so we shall see, I expect they will have some big changes to the exhaust and floor in China.
Front aero is a massive change. The layout would be much simpler.
Just a thought on the whole aero style, will the 2014 rules on lower nose tips effectively force everyone down the McLaren style route? If so McLaren are going to be up to 6 years a head in terms of development around that style.
Just a thought on the whole aero style, will the 2014 rules on lower nose tips effectively force everyone down the McLaren style route? If so McLaren are going to be up to 6 years a head in terms of development around that style.
None currently. Arrows did in there last season but they had a extra low nose.
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Would they change the suspension?
At the last GP Martin Brundle, said that in all his experience he's never heard of a change of suspention making an F1 car faster. In his opinion the car has fundemantal areo problems and rear end mechanical grip issues.
Of course he's just a former driver, but i presume he knows roughly what he's talking about given his role.
This wouldn't be the first season there have been rumours of a 'new' car at Ferrari in-season. I don't remember, but did the other rumours ever come ture?
This discussion has been kicked off by the rumour that Ferrari are ditching the pull rod suspension. No idea how true it is, but its an interesting and radical direction change if so.
I seem to remember a lot of people used to run 'B Spec' cars in the past, but its not something I have heard of at all in recent years. There also used to be a trend of running the old car at the start of the new season, and that no longer happens either, although likely because the rules have not remained static enough to allow it.
If Ferrari are positive they have got it wrong then I can easily see them pulling out a B spec car. They have the resources to do it, and the pressure from themselves and Italy as a whole to push them.
I seem to remember a lot of people used to run 'B Spec' cars in the past, but its not something I have heard of at all in recent years. There also used to be a trend of running the old car at the start of the new season, and that no longer happens either, although likely because the rules have not remained static enough to allow it.
If Ferrari are positive they have got it wrong then I can easily see them pulling out a B spec car. They have the resources to do it, and the pressure from themselves and Italy as a whole to push them.
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Do both cars have to have the same chassis each race?
I don't think so.
as i see it there isnt any difference between pullrod and pushrod in terms of geometry, both will move the rocker the same amount, the angle of the pullrod to the nose isnt important its the angle relevant to the other suspension components and thats all fine on the ferrari. Its not to say though that the pullrod design isnt giving them some issues with the way the chassis is loaded and its a result of that, or with the aero or something, but maybe they just lack overall downforce, the fact they have been playing around with different exhaust solutions would suggest they are trying to find more rear downforce.