Poll: Malaysian Grand Prix 2017, Kuala Lumpur - Race 15/20

Rate the 2017 Malaysian Grand Prix out of ten

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Spunkey said:
I did notice the crowd noise seemed more noticeable on the world feed for this race. What makes you think it was faked?
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A few things. Firstly, this is Malaysia. There was hardly anyone at the race - even the main grandstand was only half full. Secondly, this is Malaysia - not exactly known for rapturous applause and cheering at any of the previous 17 races.

Also, the noise was only from certain cameras, and often this was at a point on the circuit where there were no stands full of supporters, or even any stands. And often the noise was at a point where there was nothing going on other than a car driving past.

You can hear the Silverstone roar, and it was great this year for both Hamilton and Vettel for different reasons. That was genuine. But the sound in Malaysia was really artificial. I've no idea if it was canned or broadcast sound from a different part of the circuit, but it was far from natural.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
I think Mercedes are in trouble next year. They seem to have hit a development dead end. I suspect they will be looking closely at RB and Ferrari and we will seen a revolution rather than an evolution of the Mercedes. That said, i expect them to be back on form next race. It is interesting that Mercedes don't seem to understand why temperature/humidity is hurting them so much.
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I wonder if it something bonkers like too much downforce and engine power means they are overheating the tyres, especially at hot tracks where Mercedes have struggled. The car is good, just the tyres can't deal with it. Toto and Hamilton keep talking about how difficult the car is to setup into it's operating window, and how much trouble they are having getting the tyres exactly right. The car now may be badly mismatched for the tyres (though why can't they just use harder tyres? Not enough grip?)

Mercedes have managed to get away with a lot thanks to the powerful engine and the Hamilton factor. Maybe with the Renault engine finally getting there, the new rules for aero, Ferrari using the Haas loophole to redesign their chassis, it's got to the point where the others have finally caught up and the Mercedes chassis and engine is no longer top of the heap by a long way ie Mercedes have lost all the leeway they had over the other teams.
 
Steampunk said:
Mercedes have managed to get away with a lot thanks to the powerful engine and the Hamilton factor. Maybe with the Renault engine finally getting there, the new rules for aero, Ferrari using the Haas loophole to redesign their chassis, it's got to the point where the others have finally caught up and the Mercedes chassis and engine is no longer top of the heap by a long way ie Mercedes have lost all the leeway they had over the other teams.
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This.

I think the Merc is probably still the fastest car on the grid when it’s in its sweet-spot operating window, but that window is much narrower than the Ferrari and maybe even the RB.

They’ve been so dominant for the last few years (and their opponents have been so poor) that it hasn’t really been a problem.

Now the rest of the grid is catching up and the Merc’s issues are more visible.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Just watched the best of team radio. My goodness they whine these days. Charlie needs to tell them all to shut the hell up and race.
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But as can be seen from the Ocon radio call, the teams are encouraging the drivers to moan as it's seemingly the only way Race Control will pick up on any incidents.

It really does need addressing as the drivers do come across as whiny babies over the radio at times.
 
Spunkey said:
But as can be seen from the Ocon radio call, the teams are encouraging the drivers to moan as it's seemingly the only way Race Control will pick up on any incidents.

It really does need addressing as the drivers do come across as whiny babies over the radio at times.
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Surely race control should pick them up anyway?
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Surely race control should pick them up anyway?
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Yeah, that's niggled me for a while. For something as blatant as spinning someone they shouldn't need the driver to report it, it should just be dealt with. Drivers need to give their opinions on matters which might be open to interpretation, but for the Ocon/Sainz incident that shouldn't be necessary.
 
Based on that "no-one reported it logic" I can only assume that all teams have guys who sit around with speed guns ready to catch drivers who break the pitlane speed limit - as otherwise no-one would ever get caught doing so? That's such a barmy approach from the FIA...
 
This is why I keep pointing out things like Rosberg not getting in much trouble for Monaco, for Spa, for Spain. Unless a team lodges a complaint stewards are extremely reluctant to do anything about it. I forget exactly who was pushed off track in the race but the team asked him to speak up about it to let them know. If a driver doesn't complain loudly about an incident the stewards have no interest in investigating, Ocon maybe? This is how the FIA has always worked.
 
It's nonsenical, they have strict rules for just about everything but breaking them is fine as long as nobody complains? either get rid of all of the stupid rules that are too big a hassle to manage or take measures to actively enforce them.
 
drunkenmaster said:
This is why I keep pointing out things like Rosberg not getting in much trouble for Monaco, for Spa, for Spain. Unless a team lodges a complaint stewards are extremely reluctant to do anything about it. I forget exactly who was pushed off track in the race but the team asked him to speak up about it to let them know. If a driver doesn't complain loudly about an incident the stewards have no interest in investigating, Ocon maybe? This is how the FIA has always worked.
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Shows what a bunch of amateurs they still are. It's no wonder punishments are inconsistent and random.
 
It's not that it's amateur, it's what everyone wants. F1 has been political since the start. You think Ferrari want to get dinged if lets say now Vettel has a little shunt with a Haas or Sauber? Likewise you think Sauber or Haas want to pee off Ferrari by Vettel getting a penalty when fighting with him for track position?

That has always been the case, the whole 'complaints' system is basically a response of the political situation. The big teams don't ding each other when the impact isn't huge, so even though Rosberg could have gotten demoted or even thrown out of qualifying for Monaco, in a season where Ham or Rosberg will win easily it's a big move to make when they might want Mercedes support in a vote on engines, or if there is a similar situation for them that is between their drivers, Mercedes might retaliate by bringing it up.

No one wants it to change, the small teams don't want to be in a position to hurt teams that provide them engines or other parts, cheaper drivers, sponsorship. The big teams want to be in a position to give other teams a break or hit them hard when it suits them one way or the other.
 
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