Poll: Malaysian Grand Prix 2017, Kuala Lumpur - Race 15/20

Rate the 2017 Malaysian Grand Prix out of ten


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Great drive by Max. Also a great drive by Seb.

Not a massive Seb fan but no denying the quality of his drive today. Shame his tyres went away or he would have podiumed.

Not sure what happened with Stroll at the end. Did look like he drifted wide without looking though.

Im happy the chanpionship is back.on and Seb has come up from behind before. So its still all to play for
 
Yes. All to play for. Late season reliability for Mecedes will come into play. True, Ferrari have their own issues but it is clear Merc are not having it all their own way.

Only takes Hamilton to have a bad race when Vettel doesent for the dynamic to quickly change. Plenty of races left.

Mercedes aren't in any worse position than Ferrari with reliability.

Sure, the championship isn't over, but it didn't get any closer after this race. Red bull are the headache for Mercedes at the moment as long as they have setup issues. When on form it is neck and neck between Mercedes and Ferrari with red bull in a distant third place.
 
Mercedes aren't in any worse position than Ferrari with reliability.

Sure, the championship isn't over, but it didn't get any closer after this race. Red bull are the headache for Mercedes at the moment as long as they have setup issues. When on form it is neck and neck between Mercedes and Ferrari with red bull in a distant third place.

Didnt say they were, but they are due a failure of some kind. Might never happen of course. But then you have the Max factor - if he gets too excited and takes a corner wrong! The underperformance of Bottas is also an isssue. Kimi and Seb on form are formidable and they have the speed. Debatable whether their reliability and tactics will hold up but I certainly dont feel it is a done deal. Sure Merc have the upper hand at the moment but this is F1. Things can change in a heartbeat.
 
Not a massive Seb fan but no denying the quality of his drive today. Shame his tyres went away or he would have podiumed.

As soon as he pitted with ~30 laps to go from the softs to supersofts, there was never any shame about it, there was no chance in hell he could drive fast lap after lap for the remainder of the race and get a podium without Max/Lewis/Ricci having issues.

Bottas (on supersofts from race start) was used as a buffer to try and hold up Vettel and Ferrari blinked first. Another few laps and Bottas' tyres would have fallen off the cliff, he would have to pit, Vettel would then had needed less quick laps on supers and would have had more of a chance of taking third of Ricci. IMO ;)
 
It doesnt matter, the rules are the rules. it doesn't say replace unless its going to be craned.
Same with giving a lift, it is now banned, although i agree its a silly rule, but unless its repealed it should be enforced.

a fine would be a perfectly reasonable response and not in anyway ridiculous.

Surely they wouldnt expect it to be put back in a burning car. So they must have leeway
 
It's not during the race, so the rules may be slightly different.
It's not going to be dangerous and hinder the marshals from clearing the track when the race is over. Surely that is the only reason why you would need it left?
Nothing will happen, bar maybe a small ticking off (fine?).
 
I wouldn't be panicking over the Merc's lack of pace too much just yet. They really struggled relative to Ferrari in both Singapore and Sepang in 2015 too (and the only other race a non-Mercedes won was the bonkers Hungarian GP where the Mercs kept on tripping over anything that moved). It seems the Mercedes can be more sensitive in the extreme heat so I expect that has more of a bearing than anything - at least until we see how Suzuka unfolds anyway.


Im guessing that's because the car needs to be weighed. Presumably not something that can be done reliably once lots of the car is spread over the track :D

Yeah, they've got the wheeled platforms for moving them around the pitlane. I'm sure Vettel was collared for the wheel before he'd even left the sidepod of the Sauber!
 
As soon as he pitted with ~30 laps to go from the softs to supersofts, there was never any shame about it, there was no chance in hell he could drive fast lap after lap for the remainder of the race and get a podium without Max/Lewis/Ricci having issues.

Bottas (on supersofts from race start) was used as a buffer to try and hold up Vettel and Ferrari blinked first. Another few laps and Bottas' tyres would have fallen off the cliff, he would have to pit, Vettel would then had needed less quick laps on supers and would have had more of a chance of taking third of Ricci. IMO ;)

lol, first off, half the grid used supersofts for almost as long as Vettel did, except they did qualifying on them and were driving on a greener track with much heavier cars, none of them showed major signs of tire deg, but Vettel's dropped off a cliff... also in a single lap?

Tire deg does not show up as closing a 1.5-2 second gap that happened thanks to the salty Alonso, to dropping 2 seconds back from Ricciardo a couple of laps later, this tires don't work great then drop off a cliff, they get gradually slower than pretty much destroy themselves at the point performance would drop off a cliff. He did not have significant tire deg. Ferrari are actually saying it was more of a fuel thing. He was using more fuel than most and near the end he had to back off the fight, he could have gotten 3rd but wouldn't have actually finished the race, and that is also why he dropped back even more massively than usual in the last lap.

Tire deg was never the issue, that last lap probably ruled out 3rd being that even if ALonso didn't get in the way and even if he got infront and managed to defend while saving a lot of fuel, had he required that slow a lap to make it back to the pits on 1l + fumes(they need a 1 litre left iirc) then Ricciardo would have likely passed him easily by that point or Vettel wouldn't have been able to give it up and lost simply because he couldn't pass scrutineering after the race.

As for Bottas... lol, sure, he was that slow to hold up Vettel.... even though being much faster would have gotten him 4th easily, derp. Mercedes even completely messed up strategy, zero tire life issues for softs getting to the end. By not pitting Bottas frankly on the same lap, but letting Vettel pit the lap after Ham then Bottas the lap after that, they allowed Vettel past bottas without a fight. If Bottas pitted same lap as hamilton or same lap as Vettel, Bottas comes out on fresh tires and Vettel has to pass him on track. With Bottas's pace I wouldn't be surprised if he was passed easily, but it would still have held up Vettel much more than what they actually did.

Bottas's pace was bad, nothing more or less, and Mercedes chose the worst possible pit timing to hold up Vettel as much as he possibly could.
 
So do we think Merc and Ferrari are level on car? or are Merc now 2nd best?

Is it all track dependant?

Ferrari have looked to be faster overall i think this season but have had brain farts costing them.
 
There does seem to be issues with Mercedes setup and tyre wear, especially on very hot tracks. I think Mercedes also have flattered the car by having Hamilton be able to wrestle it beyond it's normal qualifying/racing position, and it's very strong engine. I think that Mercedes have run up against some fundamental issues with the car that have prevented them gaining any more performance, where the Ferraris have managed to improve their car more as the season has progressed.
 
Hamilton definitely gives it more. Bottas being not too shy from a minute down on his teammate, without suffering any issues, just feels inexcusable to me. Even Raikkonen, who I feel is just turning up for the money at this point, isn't usually that far behind Vettel.
 
Hamilton definitely gives it more. Bottas being not too shy from a minute down on his teammate, without suffering any issues, just feels inexcusable to me. Even Raikkonen, who I feel is just turning up for the money at this point, isn't usually that far behind Vettel.

Bottas is much closer to Lewis on points, and won races early in the season. Mind you, he's also not being nobbled to help Lewis.
 
There does seem to be issues with Mercedes setup and tyre wear, especially on very hot tracks. I think Mercedes also have flattered the car by having Hamilton be able to wrestle it beyond it's normal qualifying/racing position, and it's very strong engine. I think that Mercedes have run up against some fundamental issues with the car that have prevented them gaining any more performance, where the Ferraris have managed to improve their car more as the season has progressed.

I think Mercedes are in trouble next year. They seem to have hit a development dead end. I suspect they will be looking closely at RB and Ferrari and we will seen a revolution rather than an evolution of the Mercedes. That said, i expect them to be back on form next race. It is interesting that Mercedes don't seem to understand why temperature/humidity is hurting them so much.
 
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