Man sends banana to black mans table in Wetherspoons pub

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Bouton Aide said:
Everyone in here who is sticking up for the person who sent the banana is racist.

I have made a custom ban list called “the racist list” and the list is growing.

/the end
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Must be a short list. I think I've only seen 1 person...
 
The Running Man said:
How much compensation do you think I could get for someone wanting me (and all whiteys) dead?

The pain and mental anguish ... scarred forever!
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That's the free speech some like to protect so much. Aren't you one of the more staunch protectors of such liberty?


(not that I agree with her wacky views)
 
Yeah credit where credit is due it's not often people admit they're wrong on the internet!

Hell, it's hard enough to get people to see the other side of a coin over the internet. Something I'm guilty of for sure
 
Junglist said:
That's the free speech some like to protect so much. Aren't you one of the more staunch protectors of such liberty?


(not that I agree with her wacky views)
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The difference is she's advocating violence. Genocide no less...yet that's ok. Whereas a banana isn't.
 
wesimmo said:
If that is a genuine retraction as a result of the points made in this thread, then I applaud you.
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Bit of both really. In my OP i was only thinking in terms of the senders defense.
However, I guess there really isn't any defense for him, it was a nasty thing to do. Will he have a criminal record now?
 
Dis86 said:
The difference is she's advocating violence. Genocide no less...yet that's ok. Whereas a banana isn't.
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As I've said she's clearly a lunatic who shouldn't be given airtime but that's still free speech. It didn't really seem like a call to arms of actually wanting to cause those things. To be fair I didn't listen to the entire thing, got to 'whiteness is a capitalist structure' or something as daft and switched it off.

The banana thing is an actual incident though. If he had just said "I'm going to send all black guys bananas" then as bad taste as it would be no actual offence would've happened.

edit: I feel quite lucky to be a black man living in a predominately white area with a white partner (that's right. Stealing your women etc) as I feel I get to see both sides of the argument (not that being black is a prerequisite to understanding the argument) but I can hand on heart say I've never heard anyone in my family say such nonsense as that. My grandmother has a few bitter views from years gone past but I think that's par for the course for old people. I love her dearly but I believe when that generation of people are gone things will get a bit easier on the whole
 
Junglist said:
As I've said she's clearly a lunatic who shouldn't be given airtime but that's still free speech. It didn't really seem like a call to arms of actually wanting to cause those things. To be fair I didn't listen to the entire thing, got to 'whiteness is a capitalist structure' or something as daft and switched it off.

The banana thing is an actual incident though. If he had just said "I'm going to send all black guys bananas" then as bad taste as it would be no actual offence would've happened.
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True. Agree he did take action which is different. However let's say he just called the guy a monkey instead of implied it with the banana. What then?
 
Dis86 said:
True. Agree he did take action which is different. However let's say he just called the guy a monkey instead of implied it with the banana. What then?
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People have been banned from sports stadiums for doing so (suppose it's different when you have video evidence) but this is where I'd agree with you that if someone just yelled out calling me a monkey I'd probably ignore it and get on with my day.

The last bit of racist abuse i received I took as a compliment to be honest. Nice to get an ego boost every now and then even if it may not be true!:p
 
Junglist said:
First mistake is listening to someone as guano crazy as her. What does "whiteness is a capitalist structure" even mean.
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Don't ask @Caracus2k something like that; it will get him all worked up and start ranting about Marxists. :D

You clearly don't speak woke, so allow me to attempt to translate.

The first thing to say is that within Critical Social Justice scholarship and activism, there is a lot of jargon and a certain level of ambiguity is present by design. As such "whiteness is a capitalist structure" could mean a couple of things depending on your interpretation, but let's break it down:

Whiteness

I'm using James Lindsey's Social Justice Encylopedia for the definition and etymology of the term 'Whiteness'.

Source: "Ozlem Sensoy and Robin DiAngelo. Is Everyone Really Equal?: An Introduction to Key Concepts in Social Justice Education" said:
Critical scholars define racism as a systemic relationship of unequal power between White people and people of Color. Whiteness refers to the specific dimensions of racism that elevate White people over people of Color. Basic rights, resources, and experiences that are assumed to be shared by all, are actually only available to Whites. Although many Whites feel that being White has no meaning, this feeling is unique to White people and is a key part of what it means to be White; to see one’s race as having no meaning is a privilege only Whites are afforded. To claim to be “just human” and thus outside of race is one of the most powerful and pervasive manifestations of Whiteness. (emphasis in original)
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It's worth highlight that Robin DiAngelo is responsible for the notion of 'White Fragility' to give you an idea of who's behind the above quote.

So 'Whiteness' isn't just the physical trait of being white — it's a system of power and oppression that all white people are complicit in perpetuating and, at the same time, completely blind to. If you're interested, James Lindsey goes into much more detail about the term via the link posted above.

Capitalist structure

In its purest form, the ultimate goal of capitalism is to accumulate capital. The more capital at one's disposal, the quicker and easier it is to accumulate yet more capital (and so on). By describing 'whiteness' (a system of power) as a 'capitalist structure', Sophie Duker is suggesting that the ultimate goal of 'whiteness' is to accumulate power and the more power at one's disposal, the quicker and easier it is to accumulate yet more power.

According to Critical Race Theory, white people already have a monopoly on power at the expense of people of colour. So the inference is that white people are the Jeff Bazos of power and non-whites are the oppressed Amazon warehouse workers getting paid below minimum wage.


The Master's Tools

An alternative interpretation is based on the notion that 'the master’s tools will never dismantle the master’s house':

Audre Lorde. “The Master’s Tools Will Never Dismantle the Master’s House” 1984 p. 2. said:
The phrase “master’s tools” as it is relevant within Critical Social Justice dates back to a 1984 essay by the black feminist Audre Lorde, who was attempting to make the case that the “tools” of the dominant system (these would be the “master’s tools”) will not dismantle the dominant system itself (these would be the “master’s house”).
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Whereby 'white capitalism' is one of the 'master's tools' along with 'white empiricism', 'white science', and 'white mathematics', and is used to perpetuate the system of 'whiteness'.

However, based on the rest of what Sophie Duker says in the clip, I'm inclined to go with the first option.

*Disclaimer* Please don't take the above as my endorsement of what Sophie Duker said, I agree that it's bat **** crazy, I'm simply attempting to help explain what she meant, even though I disagree with it.
 
Junglist said:
People have been banned from sports stadiums for doing so (suppose it's different when you have video evidence) but this is where I'd agree with you that if someone just yelled out calling me a monkey I'd probably ignore it and get on with my day.

The last bit of racist abuse i received I took as a compliment to be honest. Nice to get an ego boost every now and then even if it may not be true!:p
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Ahh, hung like a donkey are we? :D

This is where I don't get it though. This idiots actions were to imply something and it's clearly annoyed you as you're in support of the criminal charges. Whereas someone straight up saying something to you gets less of a reaction.
 
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