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Not at all, i don't understand why you can't answer a simple question about why Libya is in it's current state. You think it's because of us, i say otherwise.
 
"Dear Jihadists! Quake before the wrath of the man in Bermuda shorts! Fear the rage of consumers, of travellers, of tourists, of holiday-makers, who rise from their caravans! Imagine yourselves like us, as we wallow in the joy and luxury that have weakened us".
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He was reported multiple times by people who knew him, why was he not on surveillance?

Or is there too much people bring reported? If so then the budget needs to be increased. This should be the issue for the election.
 
The budget already has been increased in the wake of the Paris attacks, I'm not sure it is ever going to be feasible to keep every possible person they're tipped off about under surveillance 24/7

the other issue here is that when various initiatives are introduced such as the prevent strategy (introduced under labour and expanded under the conservatives) there is large amounts of opposition to it by the muslim community (such as the Muslim Council of Britain, Islamic student groups etc...) - as much as the press love to show pictures of an old muslim guy and old jewish woman 'coming together' in the wake of the attacks and 'showing solidarity etc..' or some muslim group (often the much marginalised Ahmadis) pictured helping in some way there are still clear issues in the wider muslims community - a culture of not wanting to talk to the authorities. It is great that some people did tip the authorities off about this guy (and indeed the recently foiled second potential Westminster attacker) but it isn't great that there is an active campaign against this sort of thing within the muslim community.
 
B&W said:
He was reported multiple times by people who knew him, why was he not on surveillance?

Or is there too much people bring reported? If so then the budget needs to be increased. This should be the issue for the election.
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There's an estimated 23,000 jihadis in the UK right now, they can't all be watched. Our strategy of 100% reliance on the security services to prevent terror attacks, while important, isn't enough - we need to look at different legal and political solutions as well.
 
IronWarrior said:
Deport them. :)
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I'd imagine the majority are home grown, where do you deport them?

Unless the government can somehow police our thoughts then they will never be able to stop all attacks, the balance is going to be in what measures are brought in to aid intelligence services and the personal freedom / privacy we give up in our lives.

As tragic as this attack was and knowing that we could suffer worse in the future I hope we don't give away too much as we'll be giving away the values these sick freaks despise the most, our freedom (cue Braveheart).
 
Rroff said:
It would cost somewhere in the region of £5bn a year just for wages to cover it :s
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Perhaps even more depending what the threshold for this surveillance is... we could essentially be talking about setting up an East German style secret police....
 
dowie said:
Perhaps even more depending what the threshold for this surveillance is... we could essentially be talking about setting up an East German style secret police....
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I'm just extrapolating the average wage of surveillance roles and the approx. number of staff one of the security services spokesman said was required to effectively cover one target 24x7 against the number of mentioned potential number of people of interest. Rough ballpark figure at best just for staff costs never mind any other costs.
 
Or you know save all that money and just have the police actually investigate when they're explicitly told 5 times that someone is possibly a terrorist.
 
sports_brah said:
If its true then that really is hypocritical.
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The poster you've quoted has a well-worn modus operandi, of claiming to read a wide variety of news sources, before showing him-or herself to have been hoodwinked by the most obvious rightwing post-truth-alt-fact fake news.

By way of example, he's previously tried to paint 7 year record low consumer activity in the UK as evidence Brexit is good for our economy, and he believes Trump is a very intelligent man whose apparent ineptitude is actually the result of sabotage by a deep-shadow-government being run out of California by Obama.

I hope that helps you answer the question of whether or not something he has posted is true...
 
scorza said:
There's an estimated 23,000 jihadis in the UK right now, they can't all be watched. Our strategy of 100% reliance on the security services to prevent terror attacks, while important, isn't enough - we need to look at different legal and political solutions as well.
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Where are those figures from?
 
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