Manchester Bombing *** Please remain respectful and refrain from antagonising posts ***

scorza said:
There's an estimated 23,000 jihadis in the UK right now, they can't all be watched. Our strategy of 100% reliance on the security services to prevent terror attacks, while important, isn't enough - we need to look at different legal and political solutions as well.
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If that's was true then we would be in big trouble, you tend to exaggerate and post information from biased sources so i doubt thats correct, you have a source?
 
Not sure if its the same information as caged linked above but there was a spokesperson (no idea as to affiliation) on the news said something like 150 high interest targets, 3000 considered a (potential) threat and 20-30K persons of interest.
 
Rroff said:
Not sure if its the same information as caged linked above but there was a spokesperson (no idea as to affiliation) on the news said something like 150 high interest targets, 3000 considered a (potential) threat and 20-30K persons of interest.
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Salman Abedi (the Manchester bomber) was in the last group - a person of interest.
 
dowie said:
The budget already has been increased in the wake of the Paris attacks, I'm not sure it is ever going to be feasible to keep every possible person they're tipped off about under surveillance 24/7

the other issue here is that when various initiatives are introduced such as the prevent strategy (introduced under labour and expanded under the conservatives) there is large amounts of opposition to it by the muslim community (such as the Muslim Council of Britain, Islamic student groups etc...) - as much as the press love to show pictures of an old muslim guy and old jewish woman 'coming together' in the wake of the attacks and 'showing solidarity etc..' or some muslim group (often the much marginalised Ahmadis) pictured helping in some way there are still clear issues in the wider muslims community - a culture of not wanting to talk to the authorities. It is great that some people did tip the authorities off about this guy (and indeed the recently foiled second potential Westminster attacker) but it isn't great that there is an active campaign against this sort of thing within the muslim community.
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People don't like prevent because it doesn't actually solve any problems, we already report the nutters to the police.

Mosques as a whole don't radicalise people, it usually is the internet. How do you solve that?
 
B&W said:
People don't like prevent because it doesn't actually solve any problems, we already report the nutters to the police.

Mosques as a whole don't radicalise people, it usually is the internet. How do you solve that?
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The problem isn't with the mosques or the internet, its their source material...
 
scorza said:
Douglas Murray on Sunday Politics today: https://twitter.com/daily_politics/status/868779901767237634

Surprised the BBC allowed that to be broadcast tbh, because imo he's right.
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He’s absolutely right. A secular, liberal, tolerant democracy is a petri dish for the pernicious parts of Islam. Islam is like a problem child – it needs constant supervision and stern discipline else it’ll become a danger to itself and anyone around it.
 
Skunkworks said:
He’s absolutely right. A secular, liberal, tolerant democracy is a petri dish for the pernicious parts of Islam. Islam is like a problem child – it needs constant supervision and stern discipline else it’ll become a danger to itself and anyone around it.
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That this is utter ******** is more apparent if you correct it by substituting "Islam" with "Right-Wing xenophobia"
 
Skunkworks said:
Do we have soldiers on our streets due to Right-Wing xenophobia?
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Yup. We do. This summer's right-wing xenophobic terrorist attack was by someone claiming it was in the name of Islam. Last summer's right-wing xenophobic terrorist attack (the murder of Jo Cox by Thomas Mair) was British nationalist. I agree with you that tolerant liberals must stop liberally tolerating right-wing xenophobia. But a focus on Islamism is a nonsense - we need to clamp down on all types of ignorant bigoted intolerance.
 
If 'right wing extremists' were setting off bombs throughout Europe on a regular basis I wonder if we'd have such calls for calm and restraint from people. I wonder if we'd have foreign funded foundations set up to combat 'right-wingaphobia', street marches proclaiming those perpetrating attacks on civilians were in the minority as all right-wingers weren't terrorists and that most were just moderately right-wing?

Or would people be saying .... There is a problem within the 'right-wing' community that needs to be resolved ....
 
b0redj0rd said:
If 'right wing extremists' were setting off bombs throughout Europe on a regular basis I wonder if we'd have such calls for calm and restraint from people. I wonder if we'd have foreign funded foundations set up to combat 'right-wingaphobia', street marches proclaiming those perpetrating attacks on civilians were in the minority as all right-wingers weren't terrorists and that most were just moderately right-wing?

Or would people be saying .... There is a problem within the 'right-wing' community that needs to be resolved ....
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Eh? You've utterly missed the point. We *do* have right wing extremists setting off bombs.

That the current majority of them call themselves Islamic is just the current convenience offered to other right-wingers to allow them to pick and choose which subset of extremist xenophobes they clamour need to be dealt with.

Only when liberal tolerants stop tolerating all right-wing intolerance will any real progress be made.

Further, the calls for calm and restraint were in response to the massive right-wing reaction to the latest incident. Show me the similar massive right-wing reaction to last summer's terrorist incident.
 
garnett said:
Eh? You've utterly missed the point. We *do* have right wing extremists setting off bombs.
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Indeed we do have right wing extremists - personally I blame Saudi foreign policy... (obviously nothing to do with Right wing ideology, lots of other people on the right are peaceful...)
 
garnett said:
Further, the calls for calm and restraint were in response to the massive right-wing reaction to the latest incident. Show me the similar massive right-wing reaction to last summer's terrorist incident.
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Whenever there is an attack by Islamist's the news is always talking of a 'backlash' against Muslims that I have yet to see happen. There may be isolated incidents which occur however the way it is framed is that a huge number of people are doing terrible things to Muslims - Frankly, I think its rubbish. Massive right wing reaction? What was that? The door being vandalized on a mosque in Manchester?

See this :- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...attacks-on-Muslims-after-Woolwich-murder.html

'Waves of attacks' after Lee Rigby Murder. ORLY?
 
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