Well I heard the ex MI6 guy on the radio this morning saying he will probably be known but the issue is, if you list the people who went to Syria to train and fight and the people who tried to go to Syria but were stopped, that list alone is 1000 people and that is just the Syria linked ones. He says our security services don;t have to resource to monitor everybody on the list.
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Well I heard the ex MI6 guy on the radio this morning saying he will probably be known but the issue is, if you list the people who went to Syria to train and fight and the people who tried to go to Syria but were stopped, that list alone is 1000 people and that is just the Syria linked ones. He says our security services don;t have to resource to monitor everybody on the list.
Didn't a lot of people say Manchester was a place of mass culture differences? Or was that a different City up north
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Lots of police on the streets in London today, as you'd expect.
You don't need to have empathy but you do need some sense. Part of the problem is the way some western countries have carried out interventions in Muslim countries. Fact is that the thousands of Muslims who came over in the 60s, usually from a stricter and religious background, didn't go around killing innocent people in the name of religion.
Now we're in this mess where certain Muslims are using religion to justify attacks on innocent people. Religion is clearly part of the problem, but there are obviously other facts to consider.
A person, whether Muslim or not, has every right to question or criticise the government's actions in Iraq, Afghanistan or elsewhere without being accused of empathising with terrorists.
Personally I hope that the bomber burns in hell if there is one, and anyone who knowingly helped him is locked up for life.
I agree what can they do - literally pick who to monitor and hope they picked the right ones or to haul the lot in.
Sad thing is this morning I would turn a blind eye to kicking a 1000 doors in and arresting the lot
Believe Victoria Coach station has been closed due to a suspicious package.
Why are we stopping these ***** from leaving the country? Let them go and die in Syria/Iraq, better yet send all their families with them. We don't want them here.
You can't reason with those that don't want to be reasoned with. No amount of talking will appease them. They want a global caliphate and if they don't get it then they will keep doing this until they do. You can't reason with that warped logic.
indeed - at the moment they seem to be interviewed by police on arrival back in the UK and some sort of assessment made regarding their risk. Unfortunately it is a bit hard to confirm exactly what people have been getting up to out there - lots of people could potentially claim they were going to help provide aid or to assist the FSA or Kurds when actually they joined ISIS or Al Nursa.
Because each one who goes to fight abroad could kill both allied soldiers and civilians?
This, round up everyone in the list and any family they have and send them all packing. Sick of people putting the few before the many.
They are a lot less likely to be able to kill any of us over there so let them go and revoke their British citizenship as soon as they go so they can never returnBecause each one who goes to fight abroad could kill both allied soldiers and civilians?
If they're coming back it makes sense to keep them locked up until detailed checks can be done...
Absolutely hurrendous what I have seen in the news this morning, RIP and thoughts are with those that were hurt, effected by this.
Questions the security at the event if he managed to get through with that, iv not read up on the details around the security of the event.
Questions the security at the event if he managed to get through with that, iv not read up on the details around the security of the event.
Under the European Convention for Human Rights they have a right to a family life. We can't deport them. There are plenty of UK taxpayer funded charities and human rights lawyers ready to take their case to court.
RIP.
We have to re-think our whole approach, we seem to be in a worse place now than when the Twin Towers were brought down or the bombings in London on the tube, obviously our current methodology just isn't working. Don't ask me what the solution is though, I'm not sure what their ultimate aim is (if this was ISIS or similar), I think if we knew it would be so alien to our way of life to be completely intolerable.
We are like lambs to the slaughter and because of the nature of the attacks or security services can't hope to stop every attack.
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We have to re-think our whole approach, we seem to be in a worse place now than when the Twin Towers were brought down or the bombings in London on the tube, obviously our current methodology just isn't working. Don't ask me what the solution is though, I'm not sure what their ultimate aim is (if this was ISIS or similar), I think if we knew it would be so alien to our way of life to be completely intolerable.
We are like lambs to the slaughter and because of the nature of the attacks or security services can't hope to stop every attack.
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