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Unless from a child they've been taught that their purpose is to be a martyr, which sadly happens.
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Unless from a child they've been taught that their purpose is to be a martyr, which sadly happens.
not sure about that - there have been some well educated suicide bombers from relatively well off families
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Which is great in theory, but you are then sailing dangerously close to pre-emptive justice, or thought crimes. Basically until they have committed an offence then it is difficult to justify locking anyone up.
we didn't have mass worldwide travel, mass immigration from other continents and social media in the earlier parts of the 20th century and Islamic terrorism did start to increase from the 80's onwards.
I said 'most' of the violence they clearly 'are' fighting each other on the middle east- look at the news!. Most western terrorists incidents are due to a toxic belief that there should be a worldwide Islamic caliphate and that violence is the way to achieve this.
I was simply pointing out the ridiculous notion that you can simply just blame the 'west' for all the bills of the middle east whilst ignoring things like the legacy of the Ottoman empire and the islamic civil war which predate any of the modern 'western' intervention since the 20th century
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Osama was a ringleader. You'll notice it wasn't him flying the planes into the buildings. Although this is still a bit of a dead end as his minions were likewise well enough educated to be trained pilots.
The issue of their lives being in some way hopeless is more crucial.
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The Legacy of the Ottomans is also the legacy of Europe, you cant disconnect them. Also strange how over 100 years of US support for a certain monarchy in the Arabian peninsula and then constant CIA action in all of the nations in the area strangely seems to have some consequences.
Get the saudis to put some money, they are funding the spread of islam in the west
would you care to point out where I advocated anything like that ? ( I know others have) .....so care to explain how uk foreign policy provides an explanation for the specific actions of this terrorist?
that seems to be mental health rather Islamist
I think you're thinking too specifically into the comment.
I'm not suggesting that blowing up kids is human nature - but violence and trying to advance your cause using it.
I'm also not suggesting that something is going to directly replace Islamic fundamentalism, rather another cause will almost certainly appear to bomb and kill innocent people even if the troubles today are solved. Before Islamic fundamentalism we had the IRA and a long list of other terrorist organizations and plotters. It's been going on for hundreds of years - for example Guy Folkes and his crew - and I doubt it's going to stop anytime soon.
You're also right the dehumanizing aspect. It seems to happen throughout history as a way of justifying the actions of those that are attacking or oppressing another group of people. Let's not pretend it's just the "bad guys" that do it though, it seems to be another part of human nature endemic to our species.
What is the difference, explain.
are you suggesting removing support for the house of Saud ...would be good move for the west? They may be corrupt and rather shady but the Arab spring is a cautionary tale here
Islam was created by an openly aggressive Empire building Warlord.
The main message was "Join us, Be Enslaved, or Die"
You can get an awful lot of enthusiastic new recruits that way... :/
(Especially if you have the promise of being able to exploit the Slaves every which way you might want to! )
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UK government must know a lot of the 'likely' terrorist suspects in the UK. Kick the buggerss out and even if born here, send them to an islamic based country where the morons can live out their sick dreams!
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They are....the vast majority of victims are muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks
Christopher Hitchens words will always be relevant when it comes to islamic jihad.
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Imagine a world without religion, how much further would humanity have progressed. We'd probably be on other planets by now.
Instead we're still killing each other for no reason, as we've done for thousands of years.
I don't blame religion for this actually. Religion is used as a cover for fundamental human qualities that need to be expressed in some way by a small number of individuals. Anger, hate, violence will always exist. Weak people will always exist. If they didn't use religion they'd just find some other crux to rationalise their actions.
It's a difficult conundrum. I do think raising children religiously should be treated as child abuse, simply because it's unfair to have that much influence over a growing human mind from such an early age, potentially limiting their potential. Parents don't realise how much they influence their children and in what ways but I do think religion is fundamentally more a bad influence than it is good.
Instead we're still killing each other for no reason, as we've done for thousands of years.
I don't blame religion for this actually. Religion is used as a cover for fundamental human qualities that need to be expressed in some way by a small number of individuals. Anger, hate, violence will always exist. Weak people will always exist. If they didn't use religion they'd just find some other crux to rationalise their actions.
It's a difficult conundrum. I do think raising children religiously should be treated as child abuse, simply because it's unfair to have that much influence over a growing human mind from such an early age, potentially limiting their potential. Parents don't realise how much they influence their children and in what ways but I do think religion is fundamentally more a bad influence than it is good.
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