Manhunt 2 illegal

[Down1oader]

I'm not suprised given that they jailed a mother for giving her two sons a bit of beer at a birthday party, chased them with dogs through the woods.

All the people complaining never acknowledge there is a minority affected by these games, as a result it affects you Hey i dont like it but id rather live in a safer world for the sake of banning one game.

 

[Dreadi]

It coming out on the wii? Sweet, hopefully i'll be able to actively act out the killings in the game, then move them into real life!

 

[weringo]

I see you clearly missed all the parts where i mention the socially unhinged and emotionally unstable people who could so far as make up 1 in 10 of the population. I could go back and highlight those parts if you like?

Edit:

And i just thought about it. how is that the only question that needs to be answered? how is that even ONE of the questions that needs to be answered? who cares about the law abiding citizens? they dont kill people. At which point does anything i've said or the BBFC or the article said say that the game is being banned so that normal people dont turn into blood crazed murdering aholes? I'm saying there are messed up people out there, and if you cant single them out (which you cant) the only alternative is to stop EVERYONE having access to things that might set them off.

I seriously doubt a game like manhunt could set anyone off into a killing rampage, the game doesn't feel realy whatsoever and anyone mad enough to go out and kill someone probably couldn't even make a link between a video game and real life.

Personally I would be more likely to go and kill someone after losing a game of pro evo than playing manhunt, should we ban that as well?

 

[DampCat]

You're just being purposefully argumentative and really quite stupid. Why dont you actually read what i wrote.

Your personal doubts are probably far far from professional. Regardless of wether the game feels real to you or not, for some it might be. For maybe 10 or 20 people in the entire country that game just might be enough to tip them over into full on anger. Like someone already mentioned, he plays violent games to relieve stress. So what if there is 20 people who are mentally disturbed and they play this game and then go on a rampage and murder 1 person each? However unlikely it is, it's is not only possible but prefectly plausible.

Are you willing too tell me that this game is worth 20 lives? Even if it doesn't happen, why are you willing to test that boundry? Of course you would'nt understand how it affects people, you are a normal person. As am I. But there are people who ARENT normal, and they could do without this.

I said way up there that I dont want games pulled from shelves. I could play manhunt quite happily. But what alternative is there? I bet you'd be the first person to start crying from your soapbox when they introduce interviews and bsckground checks when buying violent games :/ You cannot police 55 million people, even if only 10 of them are psychos. So why give them the ammunition? why give them that slim chance of murder?

 

[weringo]

You're just being purposefully argumentative and really quite stupid. Why dont you actually read what i wrote.

Your personal doubts are probably far far from professional. Regardless of wether the game feels real to you or not, for some it might be. For maybe 10 or 20 people in the entire country that game just might be enough to tip them over into full on anger. Like someone already mentioned, he plays violent games to relieve stress. So what if there is 20 people who are mentally disturbed and they play this game and then go on a rampage and murder 1 person each? However unlikely it is, it's is not only possible but prefectly plausible.

Are you willing too tell me that this game is worth 20 lives? Even if it doesn't happen, why are you willing to test that boundry? Of course you would'nt understand how it affects people, you are a normal person. As am I. But there are people who ARENT normal, and they could do without this.

I said way up there that I dont want games pulled from shelves. I could play manhunt quite happily. But what alternative is there? I bet you'd be the first person to start crying from your soapbox when they introduce interviews and bsckground checks when buying violent games :/ You cannot police 55 million people, even if only 10 of them are psychos. So why give them the ammunition? why give them that slim chance of murder?

There are lots of things that *might* cause someone to kill, but just like most of them (films etc) there is no actual evidence that they really might set someone off, its just pure speculation.

 

[lordfletch]

but its wouldnt be the game that made them kill it would be their mental illness.

 

[weringo]

but its wouldnt be the game that made them kill it would be their mental illness.

Exactly

 

[Emlyn_Dewar]

It's one game, it's would be classified for adults, not for the kids at school. I hate games taking the flack for poor parenting and mentally deranged killers... Guess it's just the way things will continue as we carry on farther into the world of cotton wool PC fun.

What will this mean for Rockstar? I imagine they are pretty loaded with the ongoing GTA series and previous awesome games. Possibilty of people losing jobs etc over this?

 

[ExRayTed]

You're just being purposefully argumentative and really quite stupid. Why dont you actually read what i wrote.

Your personal doubts are probably far far from professional. Regardless of wether the game feels real to you or not, for some it might be. For maybe 10 or 20 people in the entire country that game just might be enough to tip them over into full on anger. Like someone already mentioned, he plays violent games to relieve stress. So what if there is 20 people who are mentally disturbed and they play this game and then go on a rampage and murder 1 person each? However unlikely it is, it's is not only possible but prefectly plausible.

Are you willing too tell me that this game is worth 20 lives? Even if it doesn't happen, why are you willing to test that boundry? Of course you would'nt understand how it affects people, you are a normal person. As am I. But there are people who ARENT normal, and they could do without this.

I said way up there that I dont want games pulled from shelves. I could play manhunt quite happily. But what alternative is there? I bet you'd be the first person to start crying from your soapbox when they introduce interviews and bsckground checks when buying violent games :/ You cannot police 55 million people, even if only 10 of them are psychos. So why give them the ammunition? why give them that slim chance of murder?

Because censorship of violent games doesn't get rid of the problem.People with a predilection for violence can get their fix from any number of media outlets.You mention the choice games give you in an earlier post and I agree with your point..movies don't give you that choice (a comment I made in my earlier post incidentally ).

However,games are only a small part of the problem.People in Western societies have witnessed violence in many forms of media for years..all sanitised and delivered to your comfy armchair via any number of news channels or newspapers.The explosion of the internet video culture and the ease of finding abbhorent video images for young people left for hours in front of computers by unwitting parents.I could go on..

People have become de-sensitised over the years and we only have ourselves to blame.Parents who buy/allow their children to play cert.18 games have a lot to answer for too.Many don't realise the dangers,believing games to be 'for kids'.They're the ones who need educating.

Saying that we can't police the distribution is a valid point..but then we suffered the same problem with videos when vhs became popular.Saying that censorship of this game is worthwhile if it saves one life is a difficult point to argue against (at least I think that was the jist of what you were getting at) but where do we stop? Ban violent films too such as Chucky etc? Because that might save a life.Oh and music that glorifies violence such as gangster rap? Because arguably that has more effect on impressionable younsters doesn't it?

So again..where do we stop? For the censorship of this game to be successful,it needed to be done with no-one knowing.Censoring it now only serves to make it an instant must-have item and guarantees it the infamy that no amount of advertising could have garnered.Censoring this game only serves to make it more attractive to the very demographic the censors are trying to protect.And in our globally connected,super-fast next day delivery culture,censoring this game will not stop it entering our homes.

I'll finish with a quote

'Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime.' ~Potter Stewart

 

[Craig321]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/6767623.stm

what a load of rubbish, blamed for a murder, yeh right, a video game makes some one go out and murder

I'll be getting this game now just to see what the fuss is about, with american download sites and filesharing, banning things do nothing, but drive it underground.

But we can still play GTA, Hitman etc. ?

Manhunt 2 being banned just makes me want to import it or something, sounds good

 

[queamin]

It had a 18 rating so really should have not got banned and they should have looked into why a kid had it in the first place, it is a lot easiler to pass the buck and blame the game.

 

[SK07]

Is it for PC? I'd import it but PS2 is PAL region .

Manhunt 1 was a great game, this is bull though. Its obvious idiots like that use these games as an excuse to get a reduction in their sentence. One way or another this will just drive it underground as you say and then we have great demand for this game. Thats what happened with Thrill Kill. And that was a great game .

 

[SK07]

Also, in movies like Hostel and soon where Hostel Part 2 is released and Saw movies where head cutting off, limb dismemberment etc. Thats allowed but not a game like Manhunt 2. Ridiculous.

 

[dbmzk1]

This is absolutely disgusting. Who do they think they are to tell us what we can and cannot do. Seems the PC brigade are out in force, pushing us more and more towards a true nanny state.

Things like this are just free publicity for games companies anyway. Look what happened with GTA! Ah well, I'll just import it! Probably cost less anyway!

 

[Azagoth]

Could never live up to the hype in my opinion.Not a great film and the violence isn't all that bad really.

Sorry for the random post, but yeah you were spot on!

I've seen more shocking movies back in the 70's on dodgy VHS. The pure unadulerated violence that could have been used in that situation was wasted in my opinion. It was no bloodier than a standard 15 shocker.

 

[DampCat]

but its wouldnt be the game that made them kill it would be their mental illness.

Exactly

Ok. Take a look at US gun culture. There are 10,000 gun related murders in the US every year. 10,000. You think it's coincidence that guns are legal, and there are 10,000 related deaths?

But it's ok, guns dont kill people... crazy people kill people. So lets give them all guns. It's not the gun's fault! I suppose if guns we're illegal from the start 200 years ago and nobody had access to them, there would be 10,000 chicken drumstick related deaths or 10,000 comfy cushion related deaths per year. How can you blame the guns? someone had to pull the trigger!

But wait, how many gun related murders are in the UK every year? 300. A stark comparison. It's exactly the same principle. Take away the guns and crazy people find it a lot harder to kill people with them.

Because censorship of violent games doesn't get rid of the problem.People with a predilection for violence can get their fix from any number of media outlets.You mention the choice games give you in an earlier post and I agree with your point..movies don't give you that choice (a comment I made in my earlier post incidentally ).

However,games are only a small part of the problem.People in Western societies have witnessed violence in many forms of media for years..all sanitised and delivered to your comfy armchair via any number of news channels or newspapers.The explosion of the internet video culture and the ease of finding abbhorent video images for young people left for hours in front of computers by unwitting parents.I could go on..

People have become de-sensitised over the years and we only have ourselves to blame.Parents who buy/allow their children to play cert.18 games have a lot to answer for too.Many don't realise the dangers,believing games to be 'for kids'.They're the ones who need educating.

Saying that we can't police the distribution is a valid point..but then we suffered the same problem with videos when vhs became popular.Saying that censorship of this game is worthwhile if it saves one life is a difficult point to argue against (at least I think that was the jist of what you were getting at) but where do we stop? Ban violent films too such as Chucky etc? Because that might save a life.Oh and music that glorifies violence such as gangster rap? Because arguably that has more effect on impressionable younsters doesn't it?

So again..where do we stop? For the censorship of this game to be successful,it needed to be done with no-one knowing.Censoring it now only serves to make it an instant must-have item and guarantees it the infamy that no amount of advertising could have garnered.Censoring this game only serves to make it more attractive to the very demographic the censors are trying to protect.And in our globally connected,super-fast next day delivery culture,censoring this game will not stop it entering our homes.

I'll finish with a quote

'Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime.' ~Potter Stewart

Thankyou. Finally someone who want's to travel into a world of conversation past "NAH GAMEZ *** PPL BAD MAKE LEGAL"

Everything you've said is entirely correct, and not at all lost on me. You talk about censorship on Games as seemingly random since films like Chucky still make it to our screens.. well, some films were still being banned when Chucky was released. The censorship people had to appear to be doing something to appease all the angry old people who didnt understand the need for violent movies. The same thing is happening here. The BBFC (or whoever does it now) needs to appear to be taking action against violent games in order for parents to not start riots about the goverment not caring about todays children. Manhunt the original has an actual murder directly linked to it. If there was ever going to be a game that got banned it was it's sequal. As for where we stop, well, i assume there is a general line of what is acceptable and what isnt, but there is no real way to effectively govern it. So they will probably continue to randomly pick things to ban, because eitherwise they have no power. What use is a power who has none :/

I'd just like to again point out that i dont agree that the game should have been pulled from the shelves, whilst everyone here has expressed that it was "short sighted" of the bbfc to do it. I was just pointing out the irony of that since all the people here fail to see WHY it has been pulled, regardless of wether that decision was correct or not.

 

[tomanders91]

But the first one really wasent that violent, when you kill someone it does a camera view and you dont really see that much.

But some people seem to think your killing random people for no reason, but no, thats what you do in GTA when your bored. In Manhunt you are on the run for your life from deranged gangs and some weirdo bloke who likes snuff movies, you kill to survive and the people you kill are evil people.

GTA you can go up behind women and slit there throats in the street, randomly beat old people to death with bats and clubs etc and steal there money, and loads more stuff which is all pointless and you dont need to do the main game to do, its the players choice.

 

[Jontain]

Well is there not simply some way of getting our right to play a game like this back?

or shall we just use the torrents?

All seems completely blown out of proportion to me, maybe instead of banning games they should make laws stricter on people buying games that are rated 18+

 

[zytok]

A) can we have an article,

and
B) are you trying to say that a kid doesn't know that hitting some one is wrong, that also hitting someone has consquinces of hurting/injuring or killing them

C) that this incident was the games fault?

forumites should know by now that Psychas doesn't back up much he says.

 

[zytok]

Ok. Take a look at US gun culture. There are 10,000 gun related murders in the US every year. 10,000. You think it's coincidence that guns are legal, and there are 10,000 related deaths?

But it's ok, guns dont kill people... crazy people kill people. So lets give them all guns. It's not the gun's fault! I suppose if guns we're illegal from the start 200 years ago and nobody had access to them, there would be 10,000 chicken drumstick related deaths or 10,000 comfy cushion related deaths per year. How can you blame the guns? someone had to pull the trigger!

But wait, how many gun related murders are in the UK every year? 300. A stark comparison. It's exactly the same principle. Take away the guns and crazy people find it a lot harder to kill people with them.

but guns are legal in Switzerland (in fact they have the highest percentage of gun ownership in the world) yet the gun crime rate is almost zero.