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Mantle Feedback/Bugs

Wasn't this supposed to be a benching thread also? Can someone with a 4770k and a 290p put them both to stock and use mantle and the ultra setting then run locker 64 mp in BF4 and run around outside a bit and post average fps for me please?
 
Installed the mantle driver over the top of 13.12. This is on tri-fire R290's. Installed BF4, loaded game into test level, game ran ok under DX11, default graphics settings this was. Ran ok so pushed it up to ultra on everything. 65-70fps flying about in a heli. Changed to Mantle and game crashed. Restarted PC, removed driver with cleaner, reinstalled as did not do a clean install! Ran BF4, now mantle ran smooth getting average of 125fps with everything maxed out. I would say at this point that the detail was better than DX11. Tried to join a real game and it bombed out, everytime it joins a multi it bombs out. Uninstalling and going back to 13.12 to test further. Definately noticed a massive boost with good scaling with 3 GPU's.
 
Loading times are about 30 secs for me using an ssd.

Bf4 since the last patch has been fault free and feels a bit more polished.

That's on dx though.
 
Seems mantles great for some issues for others.
In amd's defence they cant possibly test every type of pc configuration,wee issues are to be expected, In saying that CTD's annoy the hell out of me and i understand i've stopped playing a game because of them
Image quality is a little worry hopefully it gets a quick patch to sort it so its proven its not fudged to lift FPS
Overall for a beta i dont think its bad, In saying that i dont feel after al lthis delay a beta should have been released i would have thought it should be a pretty stable driverm, Yes Dice have a broken ish game for some but AMD seem to be as bad on there end
 
Anybody else notice a huge increase in memory usage when running in mantle mode?

Previously afterburner was reporting about 2.5GB in use max with BF4, now seems to be reporting 3.2 to 3.5GB. Not that I'm complaining because the game feels a lot smoother but it seems like a lot for 1920x1080@ultra.
 
Okay, putting BF4 Mantle in a "plus and Minus" vein, please feel free to pick from this and tell me I am wrong.

On the Mantle plus:

  1. More fps

On the minus side:

  1. Stutter
  2. big frame drops
  3. fogging
  4. crashing
  5. memory leaks

Am I so wrong?

I know a few other people have jumped on this already but it's a decent list to reply to and you did invite replies.

So this is my experience from tonight, from you know, no offence, actually trying it. Your posts do seem to be coming across as taking everything you're reading on the internet a bit too seriously. This is the 'net, people wine and moan and tend to have a love for over exaggerating. :)

  1. More fps

To be honest on this one I've not really bothered benching but from having the FPS counter up, yes possibly more. Certainly a lot more stable.

  1. Stutter
  2. big frame drops
  3. fogging
  4. crashing
  5. memory leaks

Stutter - I do get the odd CPU spike on the perfoverlay graph but not all of these are that noticeable in game. But on the flip side it's worse in DX.

big frame drops - depends on what you mean but yes there is large variance between min fps and max fps over the course of a round. But again, worse on DX and this is a real time 3D engine with loads of dynamic stuff going on, so of course the fps is going to drop at some point.

fogging - can't say I've noticed but then I've not sat there comparing pixels on static images looking for issues. I've been too busy enjoying a smoother experience on higher settings than before. Though saying that, there is definitely something off, to my eyes, with the image calibration. I don't think there is a drop in terms of what is being rendered, so much as it looks like someone has turned down the colour and upped the brightness and contrast.

crashing - I did have two crashes in several hours of play tonight. but I've had much worse nights under DX before. The game is just broke in places. I've had nights where I can game all night under DX with out issue but get one crash that night and chances are there are more to come. So jury is out on this one but so far it's no worse than before.

memory leaks - I'd need to have a longer session and set up some perfmon stats but this could be a possibility as the last round I played before calling it a night something odd was going on. But then I've not checked my logs to see if anything was updating it's self etc in the back ground.


Overall - Is it perfect, no. Is it better than running under DX, imo yes and the fact that there is room for improvement makes me all the more excited for it.

All of the issues you list, bar maybe the memory leak and fogging, happen under DX. They happen in BF4, they happen in most PC games to an extent. Is it worse under mantle, imo no the situation is better so it's an improvement on what we had before. Which to me makes it a successful test, as that is what this still is.. a test.

This is something that needs to happen and probably should have happened a while ago. But then I'm of the opinion that I wish someone had the balls to reinvent the PC from scratch and ditch the last 30/40 years of legacy nonsense and backwards compatibility etc.

So though I can see where you are coming from from what you have read I do think you are coming across as jumping on the negatives, getting caught up in the hype and exaggerating for effect. Though you are far from the only one or worst at doing so.
 
Context and medium of criticism are lost to you, when we users have problem we critique it among each other (or at least that's what forums are for, but not used for) and report problems to higher ups through surveys for it to be fixed, that is constructive critique. What you are doing is nothing in the slightest constructive but just critique which is also fine as long as you are unbiased, if you are biased, then it is not critique at all, it is selective bashing while trying to look objective for the sake of it all. You are unbiased but you are just critiquing and it is not constructive as long as you help us in some way, and you may actually help but I doubt it.

Now Gregster is a little different he is on the "objective" bashing side :D

Making a lot of assumptions there, many of which aren't true. Like too many people here you seem blind to half the posts I make and somehow seem to think I deny any bias?

Anybody else notice a huge increase in memory usage when running in mantle mode?

Previously afterburner was reporting about 2.5GB in use max with BF4, now seems to be reporting 3.2 to 3.5GB. Not that I'm complaining because the game feels a lot smoother but it seems like a lot for 1920x1080@ultra.

From the other posts there seems to be some memory leaks and other memory allocation issues, which will probably be fixed next driver release.
 
Most of you are aware that this is more Beta than a Beta thingy right? so you expect to have issues which we are the guinea pig for to help improve.

Want trouble free gaming and no stuttering etc? install 13.12
 
better than dx, enough for me.
crashed a few times in 8 hours.
overall positive and hitbox markers did improve for me.
smoother could be patch also.

125fps limit and its seldom goes under that with less oc on the gpu, like.
 
Just been reading through this thread. again and again most of what i read is Roff and Gregster enforcing how bad Mantle has turned out and trying to convince everyone of it.

This kind of stuff is getting extremely tiresome to read over and over again with a constant never failing continuation from the same few.

So much energy being put into that constant negativity around anything AMD ever do, nothing else in their lives?

Why? they don't even own AMD GPU's and have no intention of ever buying any.
 
My 7970s have been loving it. Smooth and no crashes. I tried altering the scaling up to 125% and it threw a wobbler and AB doesn't seem to want to apply clocks but at stock I'm getting more fps and smoother than at 1100/1575 in DX This is with a 2700k at 4.6. I'm averaging 120 fps sometimes lower sometimes higher. Bring on the optimisations!!
 
Just been reading through this thread. again and again most of what i read is Roff and Gregster enforcing how bad Mantle has turned out and trying to convince everyone of it.

This kind of stuff is getting extremely tiresome to read over and over again with a constant never failing continuation from the same few.

So much energy being put into that constant negativity around anything AMD ever do, nothing else in their lives?

Why? they don't even own AMD GPU's and have no intention of ever buying any.

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Just been reading through this thread. again and again most of what i read is Roff and Gregster enforcing how bad Mantle has turned out and trying to convince everyone of it.

This kind of stuff is getting extremely tiresome to read over and over again with a constant never failing continuation from the same few.

So much energy being put into that constant negativity around anything AMD ever do, nothing else in their lives?

Why? they don't even own AMD GPU's and have no intention of ever buying any.

Do you want the list of Amd users that do the same in nvidia threads? It will be a lot longer, I fear I may wear out my keyboard typing it :D
 
Mantle or not, my laptop has gained 800 points on 3d mark11 with the new 14.1 beta drivers, so I'm very happy. Running 2 x 6990s in crossfire with an i7 2860qm. Score went from 7100 to 7900ish.

Don't think 6-series cards are even supported by mantle.
 
Not great for me.

Single 7950 @1240/1440

In-game performance test:

Mantle - 66fps
DX11 - 68fps

Mantle makes it unplayable for me with the game stuttering all the time. Tried turning down settings but no joy. Back to dx11 and all was sm00th.

Will wait for official release before I try again.
 
I got massive stutter which made the game unplayable, fps was up tho by around 10%.

This was the same with both dx11 and mantle which makes me think it isn't mantle but some other aspect of the 14.1 release.

Gone back to 13.12 for now and all is smooth again.

Oops forgot to post specs - I5 750 @3.9 & stock 7950.
 
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