****MASS EFFECT : ANDROMEDA****

Was funny first time way back on post #903 :p

Just skipped through parts of Giantbombs preview of the first allowed portion. Seems alright to me but not buying at full price will just wait for the key price to come back down.
My apologies, I only entered the thread a few hours ago so must have missed that. Yeah, I am not even sure it is worth my time, let alone my money so not getting it on launch, that much is for sure. But if it does turn out to be decent, might play it at some point I suppose.
 
Haven't finished listening to what they've said, but I can point out some serious flaws with what they're pointing out already and it's not even for in favour of Mass Effect, only that their idea is wrong.

1. "Story is crap. Heard loads about how great Mass Effect story is. Was prepared for amazingness and saw Andromeda."
I'm thinking. Er, that's the original Mass Effect series. So you decide to take a dump over everything because of that one? Do people really crap on the Lord of the Rings trilogy being slow and boring because they watched the entire series of The Hobbit first? In short, this is a personal thing, and nothing to do with reviewing the game (because they don't know how Mass Effect is roughly like, and just making own decision how Mass Effect should be. Like me telling DC or Marvel how to make a comic movie because what they have isn't "MY" comic movie).

2. "Voice acting. Too much. Doesn't match the scenes involved. Every conversation is **** UP."
Of that selection, only "Doesn't match the scense involved" even come up from my quick 2 hour play. Too much (for them, but seems normal for Mass Effect series so far from my experience). Sure, some of the dialogue is a bit cringey, and you wonder how you got that from the dialogue wheel, but that's Mass Effect. Something they don't know because they've not played Mass Effect before.

2. A. In relation to above: Lips/Animation
Some players have made mention of this already, and others (myself included) have not ran into this issue. Seems more like sensationalist click bait to be honest.

3. It's got Console influnces on aiming etc and combat too "Whack-a-Mole"
Pretty sure Mass Effect IS a console game. ME1 the progenitor of it all certainly began life on the XBox 360. A console if I'm not mistaken. With regards to the combat itself, again, it's rather Mass Effect, especially if you go the soldier route or weapons route. Very different on an Adept or Engineer.

I'll add more when I finish the video. But so far I wouldn't call it even a decent reviewer, much less take this particular review seriously. But lets see what they have after the half way mark.

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4. Abilties and Weapons misunderstanding.
There are weapon mods and weapons that perform some of what they are talking about. This is within the lore of the Mass Effect Universe. Doesn't like the grenade system, feels it's too easy and no skill involved (doesn't say whether this is bad or good for either extreme). Doesn't know about VI aiming support (in universe lore). Something they would have known about if they played the original Mass Effect games...

3.A. Auto-Aim dislike
Doesn't like needing this on because it's too much like a console controller. This is more a preference thing or console bashing rather than a fault of ME:A at the moment.

5. No challenge in any of the "Puzzles", too P*** EASY.
Apparently never played any of the old Mass Effect games. They aren't more difficult or less difficult from what I've observed so far. This is more a "this isn't right for the reviewer" rather than you shouldn't go for it. Although I will agree ME:A isn't really a great starting point for anyone into the ME Universe. So much lore from the main series is going to be unknown and you get people like this reviewer going off on something that everyone who has played from the start just shrugs off about as it's there in the manual (or codex as the case is).

6. Doesn't like the "Hand Holding" for puzzles given in game.
This is understandable, but again, not really that much more different from the old games. If you've been through the previous games, this is no real differences. The reviewer however doesn't like this, so this is again more their own dislike for disliking.

7. Thinks it's EA who made the game.
Thinks EA shot themselves in the foot for releasing such a badly made thing. ME3 players will already know what this is about already. Not the first time it's happened.

8. Doesn't like the way certain deaths are handled.
Primarily dropping into chasms or massive heights, etc. Thinks it's silly to reset you and put up screen saying "You left the missions area". Which is understandable, I certainly feel that the Dev's could have had something else instead. But let's be very honest. The game is now z axis heavy. Previous Mass Effect games are largely 2D only, there's no "falling off" except for specific areas. This is the same as asking for Ninja Gaiden Master Ninja level difficulty. You miss a jump and you need to restart instead. With the added geometry permitting such "deaths" I would rather we didn't die every time, because I know I "fell" numerous times on the first part because it's so dark in some areas. The game handles it as it does to simplify progress.

More as I finish last of video, but it's really more "This isn't what I wanted from the game", rather than an honest review of the games strengths and weakness' so far.

:: Final Edit ::

The last of the video contains:

9. Space Exploration: Scanning and Launching Probes.
Agree with their assessment, it's basically a mixture of ME2 and ME3 with a tiny bit of ME1 space exploration. It's a bit slow in cases. And this can be very annoying (anyone remember the slowlness on the scanning on the PC will know what the reviewer and I are on about). So this one I fully agree with has not been done well.

10. Everyone giving good reviews are brainwashed.
Well, that's their thoughts on it. They're welcome to it. Must feel good knowing you "must be" right (Including how Mass Effect isn't how Mass Effect for them should be for having such high accolades from other players; because ME:A is totally related to what made Mass Effect highly accaimed :rolleyes: )

Overall, there's only 2 instances of what the reviewer found faults with to actually be a real "ding" on Bioware/EA's front. The rest old timers of the ME series will already know what the deal is.
 
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Haven't finished listening to what they've said, but I can point out some serious flaws with what they're pointing out already and it's not even for in favour of Mass Effect, only that their idea is wrong.

1. "Story is crap. Heard loads about how great Mass Effect story is. Was prepared for amazingness and saw Andromeda."
I'm thinking. Er, that's the original Mass Effect series. So you decide to take a dump over everything because of that one? Do people really crap on the Lord of the Rings trilogy being slow and boring because they watched the entire series of The Hobbit first? In short, this is a personal thing, and nothing to do with reviewing the game (because they don't know how Mass Effect is roughly like, and just making own decision how Mass Effect should be. Like me telling DC or Marvel how to make a comic movie because what they have isn't "MY" comic movie).

2. "Voice acting. Too much. Doesn't match the scenes involved. Every conversation is **** UP."
Of that selection, only "Doesn't match the scense involved" even come up from my quick 2 hour play. Too much (for them, but seems normal for Mass Effect series so far from my experience). Sure, some of the dialogue is a bit cringey, and you wonder how you got that from the dialogue wheel, but that's Mass Effect. Something they don't know because they've not played Mass Effect before.

2. A. In relation to above: Lips/Animation
Some players have made mention of this already, and others (myself included) have not ran into this issue. Seems more like sensationalist click bait to be honest.

3. It's got Console influnces on aiming etc and combat too "Whack-a-Mole"
Pretty sure Mass Effect IS a console game. ME1 the progenitor of it all certainly began life on the XBox 360. A console if I'm not mistaken. With regards to the combat itself, again, it's rather Mass Effect, especially if you go the soldier route or weapons route. Very different on an Adept or Engineer.

I'll add more when I finish the video. But so far I wouldn't call it even a decent reviewer, much less take this particular review seriously. But lets see what they have after the half way mark.

:: edit ::

4. Abilties and Weapons misunderstanding.
There are weapon mods and weapons that perform some of what they are talking about. This is within the lore of the Mass Effect Universe. Doesn't like the grenade system, feels it's too easy and no skill involved (doesn't say whether this is bad or good for either extreme). Doesn't know about VI aiming support (in universe lore). Something they would have known about if they played the original Mass Effect games...

3.A. Auto-Aim dislike
Doesn't like needing this on because it's too much like a console controller. This is more a preference thing or console bashing rather than a fault of ME:A at the moment.

5. No challenge in any of the "Puzzles", too P*** EASY.
Apparently never played any of the old Mass Effect games. They aren't more difficult or less difficult from what I've observed so far. This is more a "this isn't right for the reviewer" rather than you shouldn't go for it. Although I will agree ME:A isn't really a great starting point for anyone into the ME Universe. So much lore from the main series is going to be unknown and you get people like this reviewer going off on something that everyone who has played from the start just shrugs off about as it's there in the manual (or codex as the case is).

6. Doesn't like the "Hand Holding" for puzzles given in game.
This is understandable, but again, not really that much more different from the old games. If you've been through the previous games, this is no real differences. The reviewer however doesn't like this, so this is again more their own dislike for disliking.

7. Thinks it's EA who made the game.
Thinks EA shot themselves in the foot for releasing such a badly made thing. ME3 players will already know what this is about already. Not the first time it's happened.

8. Doesn't like the way certain deaths are handled.
Primarily dropping into chasms or massive heights, etc. Thinks it's silly to reset you and put up screen saying "You left the missions area". Which is understandable, I certainly feel that the Dev's could have had something else instead. But let's be very honest. The game is now z axis heavy. Previous Mass Effect games are largely 2D only, there's no "falling off" except for specific areas. This is the same as asking for Ninja Gaiden Master Ninja level difficulty. You miss a jump and you need to restart instead. With the added geometry permitting such "deaths" I would rather we didn't die every time, because I know I "fell" numerous times on the first part because it's so dark in some areas. The game handles it as it does to simplify progress.

More as I finish last of video, but it's really more "This isn't what I wanted from the game", rather than an honest review of the games strengths and weakness' so far.

:: Final Edit ::

The last of the video contains:

9. Space Exploration: Scanning and Launching Probes.
Agree with their assessment, it's basically a mixture of ME2 and ME3 with a tiny bit of ME1 space exploration. It's a bit slow in cases. And this can be very annoying (anyone remember the slowlness on the scanning on the PC will know what the reviewer and I are on about). So this one I fully agree with has not been done well.

10. Everyone giving good reviews are brainwashed.
Well, that's their thoughts on it. They're welcome to it. Must feel good knowing you "must be" right (Including how Mass Effect isn't how Mass Effect for them should be for having such high accolades from other players; because ME:A is totally related to what made Mass Effect highly accaimed :rolleyes: )

Overall, there's only 2 instances of what the reviewer found faults with to actually be a real "ding" on Bioware/EA's front. The rest old timers of the ME series will already know what the deal is.

Its not that people dont like it because their story isnt as good, its that people dont like it because the story is poor. ME has always been about the interactions and story and the writing here has been garbage. Facial animation has always been to a decent standard as well and the humans in this game are laugh out loud rubbish. You cant take it seriously when they say a line thats been recorded in an echo chamber so it sounds stupid and the character who delivered the line has a bug eyed,glitched out face. It's ruined everything ME was for me and the reviewers all have a point when they are pulling this stuff up. When Everyone is saying the same stuff your argument that they havnt played it before falls a bit flat
 
Its not that people dont like it because their story isnt as good, its that people dont like it because the story is poor. ME has always been about the interactions and story and the writing here has been garbage.

I've not reached far enough to make an informed comment on that I'm afraid. But I will agree at the interactions (at the start, the parts I've completed) are clucky. I had the first cop squadmade shout encouragements and diagnosis of the combatants I'm facing after he went down already. Non so far are "memorable", all of them could basically have been swapped for another. So I do agree they don't impact or stand out. Although in my comments above, they didn't address this issue.

Facial animation has always been to a decent standard as well and the humans in this game are laugh out loud rubbish. You cant take it seriously when they say a line thats been recorded in an echo chamber so it sounds stupid and the character who delivered the line has a bug eyed,glitched out face. It's ruined everything ME was for me and the reviewers all have a point when they are pulling this stuff up. When Everyone is saying the same stuff your argument that they havnt played it before falls a bit flat

Oh I agree that on certain aspects (especially the lips, bugged animations, etc) that immersion gets impacted on. Again, I don't dispute this and didn't do so in my review of this reviewer. And in fact I agree it's an issue.

What my argument of "Haven't played" before, it with regards to complaining about mechanics that are already established and exist previously in previous ME games. Things such as Biotics (Which the reviewer calls Force Like abilities), or seeking projectiles (That come from mods; assuming that's even the one they are talking about). It is the reviewers stance against these established parts that I have trouble with and point out that it's there since the beginning. This is not the same as me saying they haven't played previous games before and therefore should just shut it.
 
It's interesting how Rock Paper Shotgun got loads of crap for stating the early hours were bad, and now some Celebrity Youtubers have posted videos with the same sentiment, suddenly people are ok with that and now angry at EA.
 
I can't judge what the story is like because I've not played past the tutorial planet bit. That's pretty much what everyone has got up to (bar reviewers who seem to court controversy deliberately) so it'd be unfair to make a judgement when I've barely seen it. The graphics are nice enough I think. Some nice textures and particle effects. Animations are fine but shown up in cutscenes, as is the lip syncing but then, how many games do good lip syncing and is it really the end of the world if it looks like they're asking for a packet of Wotsits when they're supposed to be saying I love you?

Combat seems very stilted in SP but MP, ohh, the MP is glorious and a major surprise for me; brilliant fun.

I think it has sadly become fashionable to hate on the game and make stupid memes about it. Is it going to be as good as The Witcher series? probably not. Hardly any games are. Are the graphics as good as Horizon? Again, not many games are. Did the previous ME games ship with a load of bugs, glitches and really unfinished bits - you bet your backside they did - and did it stop people enjoying them? No, it did not.

I'm not trying to defend EA or shoddy game practices but no one is forcing anyone to buy it. It's not like there isn't a complete glut of great games around at the moment but the hyperbole about how bad it supposedly is is a complete overreaction IMO and I personally can't wait to dive into MP again :)
 
Mack doesn't rate it. :D


Seems to be yet another slice of dumbed down gaming for the dumbed down generation. Another great gaming franchise ruined.
Tbh Mack has been a bit overly critical (panned Witcher 3 and Horizon zero dawn) for a while but his statements here are spot on. Mess Effect is just an absolute mess.

I can't help but laugh everytime I see the faces with the massive grins, or that UI - I recall ME1 on the 360 having a messed up UI but how long has it been? How long has it been since we saw this from HL2? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdbhr2pZUgg

Macks observations are sound imo and it is good to get them from someone who hasn't got fond memories of the original trilogy.

And someone tell me wtf this is!
https://i.imgur.com/uFxNZbq.mp4
 
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I will play it regardless do I don't mind preorder, but if it's not improved by dlc or patches, the 2nd game is out of the question.

A shame
 
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