Matrix Reloaded - Discuss *[WARNING SPOILER]*

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Originally posted by Baddass
actually good point about the hover craft and EMP.......it certainly looked like the machines were disabled by and EMP (same blue flash thing and then they just fall over) perhaps (work with me here!!:)) they EMP'd the squiddies and it nailed Neo too as he's machine too ??? possibly a machine built in to the matrix or somehting similar, thats why he's now in a coma?

Nice idea! - The problem is that an EMP blast destorys the circitry - unless of course neo is a mix of the two and can repair himself... still he did say something felt different before he fell over.
 
Originally posted by Chrisp7
Nice idea! - The problem is that an EMP blast destorys the circitry - unless of course neo is a mix of the two and can repair himself... still he did say something felt different before he fell over.

maybe he did actually take something from smith when smith attempted to clone neo.
 
If it is indeed a matrix within a matrix whos to say the whole world had been taken over?

It could just be a percentage of the human race that is enslaved and the war goes on outside :)
 
Matrix:Reloaded - The Meaning

Right… well here’s how I see it.

It is about loops and the fact that the Matrix is inherently unstable. Each version of it always has anomalies.

The machines need a way of controlling the anomalies so that the free humans are never able to conquer them.

Each time the number of people freed from the Matrix gets too high and the machines are under too great a threat, Zion is destroyed and the whole process starts again. A new version of the Matrix is born (Reloaded!) and gradually more anomalies begin to build up again.

I believe in each version of the Matrix there is a Neo. Neo himself is a program used by the machines to guide the humans along the right path to ensure their destruction.

He is programmed to give the free humans hope but in doing so, the free are actually not free at all. They are being controlled by Neo, who is in turn controlled by the Oracle.

The Architect is the Father of the Matrix, the Oracle is the Mother of the Matrix. She guides Neo to his destiny as the destroyer of Zion.

It is important to the machines that the Neo program does not know its own destiny in case the humans discover his real purpose. Therefore giving him emotions allows the machines to predict and control Neo’s actions. His emotions lead him to make the choice of saving Trinity rather than choosing to save Zion.

If the humans are ever to break free of the Matrix, the loop must be broken. The ONE (the machine’s control program) must be killed before Zion falls, to break the cycle. In other words, Neo must die!

I think that Agent Smith will become the good guy. He is a rogue program within the Matrix whose overriding wish is to become human. At the start of the film he transports himself into the body of the guy who we see on the slab at the end.

Having been part of the Matrix at a program level, Smith knows that to get out of the Matrix, become human and ensure his survival, he must get to Zion and he must also destroy Neo. This is the “Revolution” towards which the 3rd film is heading I reckon!

Zion is not a Matrix within a Matrix otherwise Zion would also have anomalies. Smith knows that in Zion he will be truly alive and that’s why he wants to be there inside a human body.

Enjoy!
 
EMP

I agree with the chap above about how Neo seems to stop the sentinels.

Inside the Matrix, Neo is a program created by the machines. In the real world “The ONE” is a machine created to infiltrate the free humans. When Neo appears to stop the sentinels at the end of the film, it is actually an EMP from the hovership that appears directly after the blue flash. Neo is in a coma because he is a machine and is damaged by the EM pulse.
 
I don't think Agent Smith knows about the past matrices and how Zion is destroyed and rebuilt...

In the first film he goes on about getting out of the matrix, and hating the matrix.
 
true, but if the combination of him and smith that fialed in this movie had any effetc then that could explain that away.
 
Originally posted by Baddass
how come the squiddies can just follow the same routes to Zion that the ships do?? they chase them down the old service ducts and stuff in the first film and so surely they can save themselves a lot of digging and follow the same route Morpheus and all the other ships take and then jsut drill thru teh door at the end? :D

Didn't you see all the guns and stuff that were protecting the door.. including the guy in the mech suit.
As Commander Jason pointed out "Damn, that means they bypass all our defenses"
 
Originally posted by Borris
Maybe (by some huge stretch of the imagination), the Hover let rip an EMP that disabled them.

Good thought, but unfortunately the EMP blast knocks out the hovership at the same time. At the end of Enter The Matrix, after a hovercraft race away from the squidies (a really bad level in the game) the crew end up having to EMP to survive, and it knocks the ship out; they're left having to wait for someone to find them!
 
Films generally have a happy ending. What kinda ending would it be to find out that were all just inside another matrix and that we can never win and are destined to be enslaved by the machines?

We have to have hope, something to believe in.

Also note that while the machines are logical n stuff, surely they could understand and maybe predict human emotions. You see Smith get angry in matrix1, and you see him have fun in matrix2. It seems the only one they don't do, is love. But i think it was hinted at by the French dude and his woman. Even if its just an emulation of emotion, clearly they are getting it right. For that reason, they would know that Neo would go and save Trinity because at that point being ruled by emotion, his loved one dying, saving her is the logical choice. They still have 24hrs to then save Zion.

The machines must understand us pretty well as 99% of the time they are right, they duped 99% of us into believing.

The architect says that essentially they created the one, is that really true? Isn't it more of a design flaw in their system that they've just decided to take advantage of? If they really did design the one, then surely they could just as easily undesign him and not have to threaten him with destroying humanity. I think they're scared of what the one could actually become. Like the guy said, they tried a perfect world but it didn't work, people didn't accept it. So a lesser mind created the current matrix, but with 99% probability of people accepting it. Maybe the machines felt this was acceptable, and then decided on a way to keep the other 1% in check.

Anyone else feel that the only reason for the matrix is to power the matrix? If what Kronologic was saying is true, that the machines can't kill humans unless humans make the choice, then what do they do all day? It just hit me, they run the matrix, they use humans as batteries to power the matrix. The architect said they are willing to sacrifice the power from the matrix. Why? Because they wouldn't need the all that energy because they won't be running the matrix.

OMG *click* little light goes on in my head. Dreams. When you dream its real, its all real to you. "How can you tell the dream world from the real world?" It appears to have the same rules and stuff. Generally dreams aren't that far fetched, they make you believe. But i do remember reading of a technique to change all that. You remind yourself everyday that this its a dream. You keep telling yourself that you are dreaming, then when you do actually dream it kicks in and you "wake up" so to speak. You realise that you are dreaming, and then you break free. You can change your reality. Hmm bah felt like i was onto something then. Had a moment of clear thought, ya know the type of feeling when you think u understand everything. I'm sure someone will pickup on what I'm thinking there. I'm sure thats important somehow. I'm thinking that maybe anyone can be shown that the matrix isn't real, that we all have the potential to wake up from it.

I think the machines do fear what Neo will become, that is why they threaten him, that is why they say he must join the source. I think the machines fear loosing their only purpose, their only reason for existing. OMG thats it. That elder guy, he knows. Machines need us and we need machines. Machines only purpose is to serve man, they can't afford to kill us as they will have no purpose.

I didn't stay to watch the trailer for revoutions, but i think thats it.

On another note, today i've become more psychic than usual, and my typing speed for some reason has gone insanely faster than normal. All from watching matrix2 :)
 
Re: Matrix:Reloaded - The Meaning

Originally posted by Hybrid135
Right… well here’s how I see it.

It is about loops and the fact that the Matrix is inherently unstable. Each version of it always has anomalies.

The machines need a way of controlling the anomalies so that the free humans are never able to conquer them.

Each time the number of people freed from the Matrix gets too high and the machines are under too great a threat, Zion is destroyed and the whole process starts again. A new version of the Matrix is born (Reloaded!) and gradually more anomalies begin to build up again.

I believe in each version of the Matrix there is a Neo. Neo himself is a program used by the machines to guide the humans along the right path to ensure their destruction.

He is programmed to give the free humans hope but in doing so, the free are actually not free at all. They are being controlled by Neo, who is in turn controlled by the Oracle.

The Architect is the Father of the Matrix, the Oracle is the Mother of the Matrix. She guides Neo to his destiny as the destroyer of Zion.

It is important to the machines that the Neo program does not know its own destiny in case the humans discover his real purpose. Therefore giving him emotions allows the machines to predict and control Neo’s actions. His emotions lead him to make the choice of saving Trinity rather than choosing to save Zion.

If the humans are ever to break free of the Matrix, the loop must be broken. The ONE (the machine’s control program) must be killed before Zion falls, to break the cycle. In other words, Neo must die!

I think that Agent Smith will become the good guy. He is a rogue program within the Matrix whose overriding wish is to become human. At the start of the film he transports himself into the body of the guy who we see on the slab at the end.

Having been part of the Matrix at a program level, Smith knows that to get out of the Matrix, become human and ensure his survival, he must get to Zion and he must also destroy Neo. This is the “Revolution” towards which the 3rd film is heading I reckon!

Zion is not a Matrix within a Matrix otherwise Zion would also have anomalies. Smith knows that in Zion he will be truly alive and that’s why he wants to be there inside a human body.

Enjoy!

now i love that idea, how cool would that be if hugo saves the day, i'd buy that for a dollar!

Another funny fact 99% of the zion population is black, yet the leader of the council and the chosen one are white how typical/expected is that its like almost impossible but the top men have gotta be white, lets have morpheous and hug kick their butts and save the noobs!
 
Watch in the scene where the merovingian first enters and you see a man in a white suit being led away, who catches Neo's eye. Who is this man?
 
Originally posted by manc
neo wasnt damaged by a em pulse at the end of the 1st film :)

good point........very confusing...i personally hope that Neo stays the good guy and Smith the villain as he makes a good hero.

think it would be cool to maybe have neo realise he is a program built into the matrix and break free to destroy the matrix once and for all as he is whats keeping it balanced.

Another point:
perhaps when neo leaves the architects office he actually enters a seperate virtual reality section where he thinks he saves trinity and thinks he gets back to the real world, then realises he is still in a matrix type situation as he can now stop the machines and he knows "something is different"??

i personally like the idea he has gained new powers and skills and can control the machines in teh real world just because he is becoming mroe powerful and is the "one" who will break teh cycle
 
Originally posted by Garp
Good thought, but unfortunately the EMP blast knocks out the hovership at the same time. At the end of Enter The Matrix, after a hovercraft race away from the squidies (a really bad level in the game) the crew end up having to EMP to survive, and it knocks the ship out; they're left having to wait for someone to find them!

yeah but in the first film the EMP they use doesnt knock out the nebacanesa (sp?)
 
Originally posted by cyKey

I think the machines do fear what Neo will become, that is why they threaten him, that is why they say he must join the source. I think the machines fear loosing their only purpose, their only reason for existing. OMG thats it. That elder guy, he knows. Machines need us and we need machines. Machines only purpose is to serve man, they can't afford to kill us as they will have no purpose.


but tha machines have broken away from their purpose now that they have AI.....they no longer need to serve...

although it was weird that teh architect said they didnt need humans to make energy anymore.....?? weird
 
Originally posted by daz
Watch in the scene where the merovingian first enters and you see a man in a white suit being led away, who catches Neo's eye. Who is this man?

the architect?? cant remember it but might haev been him, not like you'd really be looking out for him....
 
Originally posted by Baddass
the architect?? cant remember it but might haev been him, not like you'd really be looking out for him....

I heard it was/is a future Neo... :o
 
This is my take on the 'he can control the robots' argument.

When he met the Architect he descovered that the 'Real' world was created to solve the problem of the original matrix crashing... people did not have a choice.

Zion was created to trap and control people who were a inevatble random factor that WILL come into being during the running of the matrix.

If they were left to their own devices and not 'fooled' the matrix would become unstable and crash. The war is used to control the thoughts and actions of 'the one' so that they find the Source and their code examend to 'patch' the next incarnation of the martix so as to slowly eradicateing these random factors.

But Neo does not not listen to common sense and follows his emotions instead which confuses the robots that are expecting him to repeat what thos before him have done (ie, carry on to the source).

There were 5 matrix's AND 5 Zions before Neo came into being. As he gets stronger, and with this realisation, he has started to see past the wool over everyones eyes that is this great war and as such is now able to control that what was 'invisible' before.

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Phew. I hope you understand what i am trying to get at here as i have just re read it dont understand it myself! :o

Anyway thats just my opinion.
 
Maybe the film is all just a way of showing how ignorant we all are before a race of machines tell us we are all actually living in the matrix ourselves...
 
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