May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’
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But surely your just taking their word as being gospel (for want of a better word). These scholars are men so are fallible, how do you know their interpretations are correct?
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you are still basing your beliefs on a book written in the dark ages just like the tales of Arabian nights.
Telling us to read the Qoran & thus we will see proof of god ?
If I read Harry potter will it be proof of wizards & magic ?
i meant in athiest terms whats the point of living if your miserable and suffering
Don't have the links for the pdfs, i got them from a mate in uni. (i still have his study bible i forgot to give back
)there's a good quran on-line though
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Quran/Default.aspx
lets you flick between the multiple translations (both engish and forigen) and gives the original side by side.
to make things better for yourself or others?
As i said before.. high on drugs(or just his own delusions/insanity etc), spouting stuff to the nearby scribes.
Unless you want to claim he couldn't speak either?
Come on then what does yours say in 4.24?
nah Christians believe the new testament was written by men mate.
Kind of what I already meant, but religious people always believe that there is no point to life without God.
As a theist,what is the point to living if you are miserable and suffering? Absolutely no more point than to being an atheist.
I think, therefore I am.
i wish cobs wasn't banned
would be hilarious to get him in here.
He was one fo the die hard KJV Christians that pop up in SC every so often
I lurked a lot when they were posting - they were great
Thing is though I am genuinely interested and would love to get some decent answers.
I sometimes wish that I had the same sort of faith as some of these guys - would make life a bit less worrying sometimes.
I'm agnostic though so without any proof either why I'm kinda stumped.
Luke, Matthew, David and someone else I think, again, that comment that the 'Holy books decsended from the heavens' was just legendary comic gold.
Just like all the books that I own were made / written by magical pixies using fairy dust.
Its only cruel in your eyes because your primitive human brain does not understand the full picture. How can you compare your own logic to that of the almighty creator? You cant, and thats the exact issue which bemuses all you naysayers. You like to understand everything fully, know exactly why when and how, but this is absolutely impossible in this case.
You still think of God like he is one of his creations, which He is not. Perhaps thats because the only God you have heard of is the Christian one that has children with his creations and allowed his own supposed 'son' to die for 'our sins'. Of coarse its fair to assume that God is an absolute idiot in that case and therefore your entire faith collapses.
Look at the description of God in Islam and even in Judaism and you will see that He is the absolute incomparable unimaginable ruler and creator. He does not require your approval of whether his ways are cruel or not, he does what He wishes and in his own superior wisdom. He also doesnt need you, you need him. If you dont believe in him you suffer the consequences. If you want to appeal then you appeal directly to Him - there is no one else to appeal to. He is the final judge. and you dont have an attorney, you are your only attorney. This sort of judicial system would never work for us because it is termed 'unfair' but thats only because we are human, we make mistakes. God does not make mistakes. He is always right, even when you think he is wrong.
That is the difference between those of us who believe and those who dont. When we believe in God we absolutely believe that he is the ultimate absolute greatest being in and outside the universes. Those who dont believe in him think he is like Santa clause or something sitting on a cloud trying to answer all the prayers and 'missing' out on people cos he didnt get the message in time or some other bull.
You belittle the being that you dont believe in, and therefore you will never believe in him. To me that makes no difference, to you it makes all the difference. You behave like a child that doesnt like the rules of a game so goes off in a sulk and decides not to play. He is the creator and he makes the rules, but you cant quit the 'game', so feel free to sulk some more.
Don't have the links for the pdfs, i got them from a mate in uni. (i still have his study bible i forgot to give back
there's a good quran on-line though
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Quran/Default.aspx
lets you flick between the multiple translations (both engish and forigen) and gives the original side by side.
Ta, much appreciated.
Joseph Smith, couldn't read hieroglyphics either, does that mean Mormonism is the right way to go?
You've only got one life, make the best of it, enjoy it while you can.
Why do you need some for of reward or punishment to drive your actions?
Seems rather shallow.
In religious terms what's the point of living?
Surely you'd be happier if you'd died at birth?
100% chance of getting into heaven, and you wouldn't have to live here for 70 odd years.
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