May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’

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bhavv said:
No, only if it cant be sensed in any one of the 5 ways. Not by all 5 ways.

Even atoms can be seen under an electron microscope, and moving atoms / molecules can be felt by the wind.
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The senses that we have, were given to us by God. You are using these senses to measure whether God exists when infact he is not comparable to anything else in existance.

If I use what I have in terms of logic, understanding, reasoning, I can not come to any conclusion other then the fact there has to be a God.

bhavv said:
Now, show me God.
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You question is also answered in the Quran:

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YUSUFALI: Will they wait until Allah comes to them in canopies of clouds, with angels (in His train) and the question is (thus) settled? but to Allah do all questions go back (for decision).
PICKTHAL: Wait they for naught else than that Allah should come unto them in the shadows of the clouds with the angels? Then the case would be already judged. All cases go back to Allah (for judgment).
SHAKIR: They do not wait aught but that Allah should come to them in the shadows of the clouds along with the angels, and the matter has (already) been decided; and (all) matters are returned to Allah.

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YUSUFALI: Ask the Children of Israel how many clear (Signs) We have sent them. But if any one, after Allah's favour has come to him, substitutes (something else), Allah is strict in punishment.
PICKTHAL: Ask of the Children of Israel how many a clear revelation We gave them! He who altereth the grace of Allah after it hath come unto him (for him), lo! Allah is severe in punishment.
SHAKIR: Ask the Israelites how many a clear sign have We given them; and whoever changes the favor of Allah after it has come to him, then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil).

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YUSUFALI: The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will.
PICKTHAL: Beautified is the life of the world for those who disbelieve; they make a jest of the believers. But those who keep their duty to Allah will be above them on the Day of Resurrection. Allah giveth without stint to whom He will.
SHAKIR: The life of this world is made to seem fair to those who disbelieve, and they mock those who believe, and those who guard (against evil) shall be above them on the day of resurrection; and Allah gives means of subsistence to whom he pleases without measure.


Were you yourself created, or are you the creator? You question the existance of God yet are able to see His signs in your own existance and all around the world He created. If you are waiting as the verse above says, for God to come to you and show himself, that would be pointless as matter would be decided and there would be no test. The only time we will ever see our Creator is after we die.
 
[TW]Fox;16679636 said:
Have you never sat down, not even once, and thought 'Hang on a minute....'?

Do you really just blindly beleive all this stuff because its in a book?
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Motors is <- way mate, I think someone bought a car from carcraft.

If you want to have a serious honest debate I have no problem with that, but less of the high and mighty stuff yeah. Or do you seriously think anyone who follows any religion never once stops to think? :rolleyes:
 
e36Adz said:
The senses that we have, were given to us by God. You are using these senses to measure whether God exists when infact he is not comparable to anything else in existance.
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Surely you cannot think this?

Do you completely dismiss the concept of evolution? Surely we know now for certain how we developed and how we came to be here - it's now the stuff of science fact, not science fiction.
 
[TW]Fox;16679677 said:
No, things happen for a multitude of reasons - from natural circumstances to the actions of others.

The Volcano in Iceland - we know exactly why that happened, for example. We know why earthquakes happen, etc.
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why?
 
[TW]Fox;16679666 said:
Surely you cannot think this?

Do you completely dismiss the concept of evolution?
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god and evolutions are not mutually exclusive, nor particularly relivent to what you quoted.

evolution could simply be the method behind creation. (as it was widely accepted as by prices and vicars when Darwin came up with it, the whole Christians hating on evolution is a fairly new concept.)

Darwin himself was a religious man iirc.

And a glutton, so probably not the best of religious men but still.
 
Shakeel said:
why?
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Why? Because the earth's crust is made up of a series of techtonic plates, which sit on a base of volcanic lava. As these plates impact each other, the effects are felt on the surface in the form of earthquakes.

My personal opinion is that religion came about as a result of people asking why but, at the time, not having the ability to answer that question. Reglion answered it for them.

But we do know have the ability to answer questions like this. We are now developed and intelligent enough to not need a book to present easy to cope with answers to difficult questions.
 
[TW]Fox;16679702 said:
Why? Because the earth's crust is made up of a series of techtonic plates, which sit on a base of volcanic lava. As these plates impact each other, the effects are felt on the surface in the form of earthquakes.
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why do these plates hit each other?
 
[TW]Fox;16679666 said:
Surely you cannot think this?

Do you completely dismiss the concept of evolution? Surely we know now for certain how we developed and how we came to be here - it's now the stuff of science fact, not science fiction.
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You have been duped into believing it is science fact. I absolutely believe in evolution in terms of species and animals adapting to their environment, but I reject the 'theory of evolution' as does probably more than half of the worlds population. No that doesn't make it true just because more then half the population may not believe it, it's just to point out to you that it is not limited to a few people here and there.

Evolution states that mutations or changes in genes which are beneficial to a species survival are passed on to future generations. There are organs in our body which could not have 'evolved' over time because if you remove even one part of them, they are completely useless. The eye being one such organ. It was created as an eye, for it's purpose which is to see. If as you believe, it evolved over millions of years and magically became an eye after x million years, what the hell was it before that for millions of years while it was evolving? A useless lump? Because you sure as hell couldn't use it to see with. There are just as many arguments against 'the theory of evolution' as there are for it.
 
Shakeel said:
why do these plates hit each other?
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they don't just hit the move apart too.

It's weird how recently this was proved though, 1960's iric, they found out the geological mechanism behind it when the superpowers started mapping the sea floor in incredible detail for the boomers.
 
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