Sorry, but no.
Human laws have existed for far longer, and also in the complete absence of any law based around one of the three monotheistic abrahamic religions.
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Sorry, but no.
Human laws have existed for far longer, and also in the complete absence of any law based around one of the three monotheistic abrahamic religions.
Ok show me something please.
Theres one. Though I suppose you will have a really nice nutjob reason for these ancient Indian laws somehow having been based on Allah.
Also, which religious law did the establishment of Human Rights, and legalisation of Homosexuality come from? Because I am pretty darn sure that no religion is fond of secular and sexual freedom.
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You probably need to do a little more reading about religion then, I can think of several off hand that have great respect for secular and sexual freedom (mostly the neopagan religions) and quite a few more that have nothing much to say about it at all (Buddhism has nothing to say on sexual freedom for example).
I were talking specifically of the three monotheistic religions, mainly Christianity and Islam (you know, since this thread is mainly about the latter).
Also, it can be easilly concluded that Buddhism is not actually a religion, and is actually an Atheistic philosophy.
You seemed to be speaking very generally about religion, using terms like "no religion" is pretty inclusive of all religions.
As far as Buddhism goes I would go with the "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and swims like a duck, it is probably a duck" sort of view. It has all the trappings of a religion and many adherents treat Buddha in the same way a God is treated (temples, relics, monks, all that stuff) so I think you would be hard pressed to not call it a religion.
Lack of reasoning, lol that's rich from someone who claims to be agnostic & seemingly spends all his time studying religion
It's called Education, you should try it. Its got an acquired taste but you get used to it.
Probably because most people don't believe it literally. Atheist's like to think the majority of Christians take the stories of the Bible 'word for word' because it is easier to attack their beliefs, that doesn't make it true.
You are trying to superimpose a primitive cultures attempt to explain the inexplicable onto a modern science framework. That is just ridiculous and proves the poor reasoning skills you have. It is not reasonable to expect a Story that has been told word of mouth for several thousand years before being written down by the original scribe of the Torah and then rewritten by numerous religious orders since to bear any relationship to a literal meaning.
the ludicrous Noah & his ark myth.
The entire Earth was covered in water, did that mean the Polar icecaps melted ? were the scribes in the desert who wrote that story even aware that such things as icecaps even existed?
In which case where did Noah get Penguins & Polar bears from ? bible scholars answer - God used supernatural means,
tell me you even consider whether that may or may not be true & you lose all credibility as a thinking man
The Noah story could well have some basis in fact. Recent marine archaeological research in the black sea have found evidence of sunken cities on the underwater slopes of turkey. Geological evidence supports the theory that in ancient times the northern end of the bosphorus was blocked by rock and earth. The Black sea had no outlet, and it's water level was below that of the Aegean, the Sea of Mamara and the Bosphorus. An earthquake destroyed the blockage, releasing a deluge of water into the black sea, raising the level of the water and destroying the coastal civilisation. So it could well be that Noah's ark has some basis in fact considering the region also holds Mount Ararat where the Ark was supposed to rest and there is in fact an archaelogical dig there currently. The story has probably grown in the thousands of years since, much like the game of 'chinese whispers'
Adam & Eve;
Eve grew from adams rib while he was asleep, Adam lived for 930 years
who did their children grow up & copulate with ? it had to be with each other so was it incest ?
Where did Black & Mongoloid people come from? were they
brothers & sisters of Adam & Eves children also ?
These & hundreds of other Biblical stories/myths bear no resemblance to intelligent thinking & yet million of people including my own sister (who is a Christadelphian) avidly believes every word & refuses to believe the scientific age of the Earth & won't even talk about Dinosaurs.
Adam and Eve, again you assume it is literal. If you take it as an allegorical story whereby, Adam is analogous to the first tribe of Man, Eve could be analogous to a small group (the rib) leaving and creating a separate tribe. This new tribe then discovers some forbidden knowledge, lets say the art of warfare to bring in Cain and Abel, two other tribes closely related to the 'Adam' and 'Eve' tribes and thus the story is born. An allegorical story on the dangers of war.
So don't even dare question my reasoning on any of the above without making yourself look foolish.
& Your saddened by my lack of reasoning
What are going to do about it exactly, it's not as if you even have a God who can strike me down, or indeed send me to hell if I do Dare....
Your reasoning is full of assumption and refusal to see beyond the literal wording. The Old Testament stories are likely just that, stories written and told by a primitive culture to teach and warn others. More modern nursery rhymes such as Humpty Dumpty and Ring 'a Roses also have their origins in real events.
This is called reasoning, what you are doing is called Inane Prattle...
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( believe is i before e )It's called Education, you should try it. Its got an acquired taste but you get used to it.
Probably because most people don't beleive it literally. Atheist's like to think the majority of Christians take the stories of the Bible 'word for word' because it is easier to attact their beliefs, that doesn't make it true.
as you like to imply that I have had no education total rubbish, we've had endless posters believing in this thread & others that everything in the bible & koran is true, why do you think they keep endlessly posting quotes???
that in a nutshell my friend is exactly what I believe but your apparently to dumb to see it.
Stories written by primitive cultures, stories told by word of mouth over the centuries & rewritten countless times to become the total fantasy that it ends up as. Well I'm glad we've got that sorted
more total rubbish from you then if you obviously believe the Noah's ark story to be factual otherwise you wouldn't try & defend it.
I can't believe you wrote that in earnest unless you want to claim that only a few animals were on a boat & the worldwide flood never occured which would totally wipe out the belief that god ordered the worldwide flood to rid all evil etc.
Did you not notice that I mentioned my Sister was a Christadelphian who believes that the bible is gods word - every word ? & there are millions of Christians who believe the same.
several 'Ark' finds have been hoaxes & apparently there isn't enough water on the planet to raise to the height to the top of mount Ararat where the fragment of wood deemed to be the 'ark' is supposed to be
the more I read your posts the more I'm convinced your not Agnostic at all
oh! that explains everthing then, shame that millions of christians have read it all wrong
I think you need a word with my Sister What are going to do about it exactly, it's not as if you even have a God who can strike me down, or indeed send me to hell if I do Dare....
No, but it seems you have
someone who so obviously believes in god but thinks that claiming to be agnostic is cool because for some strange reason you feel the need to defend the bible regardless of how bizarre the stories are which is exactly what all good Christians do 
So how come it took Allah three tries to get the laws and religion as a whole right?
I imagine this has probably already been covered, but you're having a laugh right? Are you trying to justify your religion on the grounds it provides a sound moral code? The crusades, islamic fundamentalism, stoning gay people, the supression of women's rights etc?
Religion has no place in dictating a modern moral code for our society. There's always a bias, always an agenda.
What? Are you implying that the right to voice your own opinions in a free society has no value? And that you'd much rather have your life, and your opinions dictated to you by someone who wrote a book 1400 years ago? Good grief.
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total rubbish, we've had endless posters believing in this thread & others that everything in the bible & koran is true, why do you think they keep endlessly posting quotes???
Considering that I corrected the typo's before you posted this, your futile attempt at deflection from your own inadequacies is duely noted, as is the inordinate amount of time it seems to take you to type out a rather simplistic reply.
I didn't say that some people do not believe the literal meanings, take yourself for instance. But it doesn't prove or disprove the existence of God one way or the other. All it proves is the limited understanding of many Human Beings.
that in a nutshell my friend is exactly what I believe but your apparently to dumb to see it.
Stories written by primitive cultures, stories told by word of mouth over the centuries & rewritten countless times to become the total fantasy that it ends up as. Well I'm glad we've got that sorted
No, what you believe is that anyone with any religious leanings at all takes the Bible and it's kin literally, that is not the same thing at all.
Also being offensive is not really neccessary, it just shows a lack of ability to express yourself clearly.
more total rubbish from you then if you obviously believe the Noah's ark story to be factual otherwise you wouldn't try & defend it.
I can't believe you wrote that in earnest unless you want to claim that only a few animals were on a boat & the worldwide flood never occured which would totally wipe out the belief that god ordered the worldwide flood to rid all evil etc.
Did you not notice that I mentioned my Sister was a Christadelphian who believes that the bible is gods word - every word ? & there are millions of Christians who believe the same.
several 'Ark' finds have been hoaxes & apparently there isn't enough water on the planet to raise to the height to the top of mount Ararat where the fragment of wood deemed to be the 'ark' is supposed to be
the more I read your posts the more I'm convinced your not Agnostic at all
Again you insist on taking the Ark story literally, without taking into consideration the knowledge base of the culture that wrote it. To an ancient civilisation, the banks of the Black Sea would seem like the entire world to them, the species they had specific contact with would be the entirety of the Worlds species to them also. It is not too much of a leap to see that the Ark story could well have a basis in historical fact.
Just because your sister belongs to a sect that believes the Bible to be the literal word of God, does not mean everyone with some kind of religious belief does.
As for Ararat, the bible doesn't actually ever specify where the Ark laid to rest only that is was somewhere in the ancient kingdom of Uratu, which is now Eastern Turkey.
I am not saying I specifcally believe any of the stories in the Bible, but none of them can prove or disprove a God exists. That is really my only point here.
You contend that the ridiculousness of the Bible stories you quoted prove beyond reasonable doubt that God doesn't exist. I have only proven that if you interpret the Bible differently, that you can find reason behind all the stories.
This definition make me Agnostic, as I can see both sides to the arguement and neither can offer proof one way or the other.
oh! that explains everthing then, shame that millions of christians have read it all wrong
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You would like me to believe in God, because then you could denounce me as a bible-basher or some such other offensive prattle. Alas No, I just don't like bullies, you seem to like attacking other peoples beliefs just because they are different.
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Considering that I corrected the typo's before you posted this, your futile attempt at deflection from your own inadequacies is duely noted.
I didn't say that some people do not believe the literal meanings, take yourself for instance. But it doesn't prove or disprove the existence of God one way or the other. All it proves is the limited understanding of many Human Beings.
Also being offensive is not really neccessary, it just shows a lack of ability to express yourself clearly.
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I'm offensive now am I because I called you dumb ,lol Hmm , I think you have a strange views indeed, tell me -do you live alone ?
are you not the one whose every post calls me uneducated ,inadequate etc. with liberal spriklings of other insults?
Now you insult my Sister
says it all really, can't win an argument so resorts to debasing women
Am I offended? not in the slightest but puzzled as to why you keep insulting me with every post
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Here apparently is a more modern view of the bible taken from a Catholic school exam papers 
now I can definitely believe this
1. IN THE FIRST BOOK OF THE BIBLE, GUINESSIS. GOD GOT TIRED OF CREATING THE WORLD SO HE TOOK THE SABBATH OFF.
2. ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED FROM AN APPLE TREE . NOAH'S WIFE WAS JOAN OF ARK. NOAH BUILT AND ARK AND THE ANIMALS CAME ON IN PEARS.
3. LOTS WIFE WAS A PILLAR OF SALT DURING THE DAY, BUT A BALL OF FIRE DURING THE NIGHT.
4. THE JEWS WERE A PROUD PEOPLE AND THROUGHOUT HISTORY THEY HAD TROUBLE WITH UNSYMPATHETIC GENITALS.
5. SAMPSON WAS A STRONGMAN WHO LET HIMSELF BE LED ASTRAY BY A JEZEBEL LIKE DELILAH.
6. SAMSON SLAYED THE PHILISTINES WITH THE AXE OF THE APOSTLES.
7. MOSES LED THE JEWS TO THE RED SEA WHERE THEY MADE UNLEAVENED BREAD WHICH IS BREAD WITHOUT ANY INGREDIENTS .
8. THE EGYPTIANS WERE ALL DROWNED IN THE DESSERT. AFTERWARDS, MOSES WENT UP TO MOUNT CYANIDE TO GET THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
9. THE FIRST COMMANDMENTS WAS WHEN EVE TOLD ADAM TO EAT THE APPLE.
10. THE SEVENTH COMMANDMENT IS THOU SHALT NOT ADMIT ADULTERY.
11. MOSES DIED BEFORE HE EVER REACHED CANADA THEN JOSHUA LED THE HEBREWS IN THE BATTLE OF GERITOL.
12. THE GREATEST MIRICLE IN THE BIBLE IS WHEN JOSHUA TOLD HIS SON TO STAND STILL AND HE OBEYED HIM.
13. DAVID WAS A HEBREW KING WHO WAS SKILLED AT PLAYING THE LIAR. HE FOUGHT THE FINKELSTEINS, A RACE OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN BIBLICAL TIMES.
14.. SOLOMON, ONE OF DAVIDS SONS, HAD 300 WIVES AND 700 PORCUPINES.
15. WHEN MARY HEARD SHE WAS THE MOTHER OF JESUS, SHE SANG THE MAGNA CARTA.
16. WHEN THE THREE WISE GUYS FROM THE EAST SIDE ARRIVED THEY FOUND JESUS IN THE MANAGER.
17. JESUS WAS BORN BECAUSE MARY HAD AN IMMACULATE CONTRAPTION.
18. ST. JOHN THE BLACKSMITH DUMPED WATER ON HIS HEAD.
19. JESUS ENUNCIATED THE GOLDEN RULE, WHICH SAYS TO DO UNTO OTHERS BEFORE THEY DO ONE TO YOU. HE ALSO EXPLAINED A MAN DOTH NOT LIVE BY SWEAT ALONE.
20. IT WAS A MIRICLE WHEN JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND MANAGED TO GET THE TOMBSTONE OFF THE ENTRANCE.
21. THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED THE LORD WERE CALLED THE 12 DECIBELS.
22. THE EPISTELS WERE THE WIVES OF THE APOSTLES.
23. ONE OF THE OPPOSSUMS WAS ST. MATTHEW WHO WAS ALSO A TAXIMAN.
24. ST.. PAUL CAVORTED TO CHRISTIANITY, HE PREACHED HOLY ACRIMONY WHICH IS ANOTHER NAME FOR MARRAIGE.
25. CHRISTIANS HAVE ONLY ONE SPOUSE. THIS IS CALLED MONOTONY.
now I can definitely believe this
1. IN THE FIRST BOOK OF THE BIBLE, GUINESSIS. GOD GOT TIRED OF CREATING THE WORLD SO HE TOOK THE SABBATH OFF.
2. ADAM AND EVE WERE CREATED FROM AN APPLE TREE . NOAH'S WIFE WAS JOAN OF ARK. NOAH BUILT AND ARK AND THE ANIMALS CAME ON IN PEARS.
3. LOTS WIFE WAS A PILLAR OF SALT DURING THE DAY, BUT A BALL OF FIRE DURING THE NIGHT.
4. THE JEWS WERE A PROUD PEOPLE AND THROUGHOUT HISTORY THEY HAD TROUBLE WITH UNSYMPATHETIC GENITALS.
5. SAMPSON WAS A STRONGMAN WHO LET HIMSELF BE LED ASTRAY BY A JEZEBEL LIKE DELILAH.
6. SAMSON SLAYED THE PHILISTINES WITH THE AXE OF THE APOSTLES.
7. MOSES LED THE JEWS TO THE RED SEA WHERE THEY MADE UNLEAVENED BREAD WHICH IS BREAD WITHOUT ANY INGREDIENTS .
8. THE EGYPTIANS WERE ALL DROWNED IN THE DESSERT. AFTERWARDS, MOSES WENT UP TO MOUNT CYANIDE TO GET THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
9. THE FIRST COMMANDMENTS WAS WHEN EVE TOLD ADAM TO EAT THE APPLE.
10. THE SEVENTH COMMANDMENT IS THOU SHALT NOT ADMIT ADULTERY.
11. MOSES DIED BEFORE HE EVER REACHED CANADA THEN JOSHUA LED THE HEBREWS IN THE BATTLE OF GERITOL.
12. THE GREATEST MIRICLE IN THE BIBLE IS WHEN JOSHUA TOLD HIS SON TO STAND STILL AND HE OBEYED HIM.
13. DAVID WAS A HEBREW KING WHO WAS SKILLED AT PLAYING THE LIAR. HE FOUGHT THE FINKELSTEINS, A RACE OF PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN BIBLICAL TIMES.
14.. SOLOMON, ONE OF DAVIDS SONS, HAD 300 WIVES AND 700 PORCUPINES.
15. WHEN MARY HEARD SHE WAS THE MOTHER OF JESUS, SHE SANG THE MAGNA CARTA.
16. WHEN THE THREE WISE GUYS FROM THE EAST SIDE ARRIVED THEY FOUND JESUS IN THE MANAGER.
17. JESUS WAS BORN BECAUSE MARY HAD AN IMMACULATE CONTRAPTION.
18. ST. JOHN THE BLACKSMITH DUMPED WATER ON HIS HEAD.
19. JESUS ENUNCIATED THE GOLDEN RULE, WHICH SAYS TO DO UNTO OTHERS BEFORE THEY DO ONE TO YOU. HE ALSO EXPLAINED A MAN DOTH NOT LIVE BY SWEAT ALONE.
20. IT WAS A MIRICLE WHEN JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD AND MANAGED TO GET THE TOMBSTONE OFF THE ENTRANCE.
21. THE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOWED THE LORD WERE CALLED THE 12 DECIBELS.
22. THE EPISTELS WERE THE WIVES OF THE APOSTLES.
23. ONE OF THE OPPOSSUMS WAS ST. MATTHEW WHO WAS ALSO A TAXIMAN.
24. ST.. PAUL CAVORTED TO CHRISTIANITY, HE PREACHED HOLY ACRIMONY WHICH IS ANOTHER NAME FOR MARRAIGE.
25. CHRISTIANS HAVE ONLY ONE SPOUSE. THIS IS CALLED MONOTONY.
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I'm offensive now am I because I called you dumb ,lol Hmm , I think you have a strange views indeed, tell me -do you live alone ?
are you not the one whose every post calls me uneducated ,inadequate etc. with liberal spriklings of other insults?
Now you insult my Sister
says it all really, can't win an argument so resorts to debasing women
Am I offended? not in the slightest but puzzled as to why you keep insulting me with every post
Are you insane?
I have no more insulted you than you have me. Reciprocity is a bitch isn't it.
Asking whether you sister is good looking when you offer to introduce me to her isn't debasing women, calling your own sister deluded and crazy isn't really a nice thing to do however, neither is offering her to people on the Internet without her knowledge.
As you obviously cannot use reason to win a debate, you resort to invention and idiocy with a liberal sprinkling of smilies. Your Post on modern catholic bible teaching proves you cannot reason your way through a debate without resorting to unneccessary offensive hyperbole.
Like most bullies you balk at being called out by someone more capable. Typical.
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Islam is the victim as always, I see. You never cease to amaze me as you always prove my perception of you to be correct. Poor Mr. Islamic guy and the world is against him.
Grow up, most religions left the "fire and brimstone" stage a long, long time ago. Islam is rooted in pre-medieval times and refuses to move on. That is why the rest of the world views you as primitive, bigoted and violent. Because that is what Islam represents.
No other religion espouses the values that the modern world hates more than Islam.
Stop portraying yourselves as victims and move with the times.
Not all of Islam follow the fundamentalist ideals. There are several differing doctrines within Islam, each interpreting the Quran differently, one doesn't even believe the Quran to be the literal word of Allah for example.
It is easy to portray every Muslim as a fundamentalist, yet that is disingenuous as most are not different to many Christians in the way they hold their beliefs or the moderate ideology they ascribe to.
The inaccurate way that Islamic faith is reported by the media doesn't help. A commonly held misconception for an example is the very word Islam, many will tell you it means Surrender or submission to God. That is not entirely accurate, the word actually means in it's original dialect Surrender to God in Peace. You can see why the distinction is crucial.
There is no denying that Islam has some serious problems with it's fundamentalist brethren and some imams interpretation of it's Jihadi Pillar specifically, but denouncing all Muslims because of a vocal and violent minority is unfair.
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Let's not make Islam seem like some religion that has been hijacked by a few militants. It is a religion that has no place alongside the cultures of the west (and I state cultures as Islam IS a culture alone rather than just a religion). No other religion I know demands time off from work to pray, or looks at me like a peice of faeces when I go to the toilet in their restaurant as they are praying on the bog floor. No other religion challenges my native religion/culture in such an aggressive/disrespectful way. No other religion is that backwards that it deems me worthy of being assaulted for being a disbeliever in my own country.
No other religion brandishes banners saying "to hell with free speech" or "kill those who insult Islam" in a Christian country.
Islam, a respected religion? I don't think so...
Like I said, Islam needs to grow up.
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I suppose Christianity is not pervasive throughout Western Culture also, infact it has a massive influence on Islamic and Hindu cultures also, just take Pakistan and India for examples of Western and Eastern cultures influenced by a dominant Christian Empire.
Islam is a young religion when compared to both the other Abrahamic ones, and I would agree that in it's relative youth it hasn't had the schisms of the Jewish or Christian faiths to moderate it to the extent the others have.
Fundamental Christianity however is raising it's ugly head increasingly however, especially in the US.
I have never had any of the experiences you claim, I have lived and worked in Arab Muslim countries and have never been subjected to any of the vitriol you describe. I employ many Asians who are practising Muslims and none have ever made any demands for time off to pray etc. Their moderate view affords some latitude in this I believe.
I maintain that you cannot subject the entire Muslim Religion to the beliefs and interpretation of a minority, however invasive that minority may be. To do so is to fuel their misconceptions about the west and it's intentions toward them.
you seriously need to learn more about islam becuase what your saying is wrong. If what your saying is right then why do people still convert to islam even though the world sees us as 'primitive, bigoted and violent'
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