May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’

[bhavv]

Now now Amnesia lets not get too carried away....i mean if he has that sort of respect for his parents then i wouldnt really take anything he says with any conviction.

I never said that I would do that to my mother, and you not only fail at understanding humor, but both you and Amnesia also fail at understanding figurative speech.

Why do you both hold so much pride in lacking reading comprehension? Neither of you have even posted anything worthwhile to counter anything that I have said, other than whine and complain that I must be wrong just because you think so.

The behavior I see from you both is just typical of Muslims who go mad when their religion is critisized, and cant say anything to refute it other than 'OMG Out of context, OMG you used one incorrect word here and there, OMG that means you lie!!!'.

 

[Amnesia]

You are a weak individual to feel the need to include my family into this, but say whatever you like.

Now explain to me, what did I say that was a lie, because I would like to actually know. I cant see any BS in what I have said, because there actually isnt any from what I can see.

you are the one who mentioned your mother in the thread and i haven't direspected her by wanting to talk to her.
you are the one who wanted to slap a Hindu in the face with some raw beef, i just reminded you of one you see quite often

 

[NeilF]

If you think their spelling/grammar/punctuation is bad then you've not been around the OcUK forums for very long!

*edit*
NeilFawcett What I'm saying is that bhavv is using the words of ex-followers as fact. We have no idea the exact reasons why they're ex-followers, we only have their word and we already know how people in the media put a spin on things for their own personal benefit. Things are almost always taken out of context or mistranslated and taken word for word by readers of that translation, which appears to be the case in the quotes and things posted by the likes of bhavv.

I've already said it countless times but it's unfair to either party to side only one way, you have to weight the good and the bad of both sides but at the moment bhavv and his friends /only/ view it one way and will not accept any other opinion whatsoever and of course this leads other people to respond likewise.

You can't fight close minded religious nutjobs (of which there are many I agree) by being a close minded nutjob yourself especially when both sides fail to accept that not everyone is the particular way they make them out to be.

Well, I'll put my cards on the table...

Repeatedly, over a number of years we've seen the Islamic faith take things beyond anything reasonable. In effect it has attempted to take action beyond its borders (both geographically and amongst believers). To me this is nothing short of tyranny.

How dare a faith (by definition only in the heads of those that believe in it) attempt to affect/bully/manipulate people who do not share those beliefs. It's an incredibly dangerous things.


So, enough people have become so annoyed at this 'peaceful religions' antics, they've decided to take action. Not ideal of course, but ignoring the petty barbaric behaviour has got us no where, so what's really the harm in this recent PEACEFUL action. Maybe it'll help highlight the stupidity of all this nonsense, all supposedly done to blindly protect some hypothetical mystical figure, which most of the world doesn't believe in...

 

[bhavv]

Now now Amnesia lets not get too carried away....i mean if he has that sort of respect for his parents then i wouldnt really take anything he says with any conviction.

Its sad that he feels the need to dis-respect his mother for her religious beliefs...i mean geez my mum herself is a very religious muslim herself...prays 5 times a day, reads the Quran amongst other things that a good muslim should do...and even if i dont agree with her i would in no way dis-respect her religious beliefs...thankfully that goes for anyone whos an elder and trust me i have a few uncles and aunties who are quite religiously minded and i get the sermons etc but NEVER EVER would i disrespect them...i give my parents enough kudos to have raised me and my brothers to respect our elders no matter how wrong they may be....and thats something Islam teaches as well.

Yes, youre a good little Muslim boy who obviously lacks the open mind to see the world from an ex religious persons perspective.

I disrespect everyone for their religious beliefs, my mother or yours, or anyones.

So you think that people need to pray 5 times a day to be good muslims hmmm, what if they dont, does that make them bad muslims?

IMO anyone that feels the need to pray 5 times a day is a retarded moron and messed up in the head. Oh wait, look at who I just implied that towards.

Well, it doesnt matter, because he has me ignored.

You also have an outdated, very old fashioned and tyrannistic view on respect based on backward religious morals. Respect cannot be commanded from an age or relationship perspective anymore in the modern world, respect has to be earned. And quite simply, fundamental bigots do not gain any respect from me.

 

[Amnesia]

1) I were correct about the meaning of Islam, it is Submission, Obedience, Peace.

Already answered before when I told you - Islam means submission, dominance, and peace. Not really nice sounding at all to me.

a quick google and browsing over the first page none of the results included the word dominance so why add it in ?

So you used the word dominance then later edited ...You changed the wording and meaning so you lied to make it look bad.

2) I also admitted that I were incorrect on this as I confused that a law in Saudi Arabia was based off the Koran.

well thats what i said too...that you're a liar

3) Serious lol. Go read any testimonies from Women who have left Islam and what they say.

Why would i want to hear what they say.....i really doubt it was the Quran giving them black eyes
im sure if you go into a womens refuge they can tell you that women beating isn't exclusive to Islam.

 

[mrk]

Well, I'll put my cards on the table...

Repeatedly, over a number of years we've seen the Islamic faith take things beyond anything reasonable. In effect it has attempted to take action beyond its borders (both geographically and amongst believers). To me this is nothing short of tyranny.

How dare a faith (by definition only in the heads of those that believe in it) attempt to affect/bully/manipulate people who do not share those beliefs. It's an incredibly dangerous things.

So, enough people have become so annoyed at this 'peaceful religions' antics, they've decided to take action. Not ideal of course, but ignoring the petty barbaric behaviour has got us no where, so what's really the harm in this recent PEACEFUL action. Maybe it'll help highlight the stupidity of all this nonsense, all supposedly done to blindly protect some hypothetical mystical figure, which most of the world doesn't believe in...

The people taking things beyond anything reasonable may well feel that they're doing it in respect to Islam but they most certainly are not and their views are not the shared views of many followers around the world.

I don't share the views of those people for example and neither does anyone in my family or anyone I know for that matter and we choose to not associate ourselves with such extremism. Because of this we live our lives happily in the areas we do and our neighbourhood accepts us as we do them in our cultural differences.

Islam isn't exactly a small portion of the world you do realise, it has millions/billions(?) of followers the world over and it's only a portion of these people who feel that they can control how people behave by citing their teaching of Islam as the holy grail of teachings. Of course those people are succeeding to a point in the countries they run but there's not much that can be done about that at present...

It's not a religion thing either when you stand back and take a grand look at human history.

When people of a certain mindset get into power they can pretty much do what they want and after a certain amount of time it becomes the law of the land.

Human kinds' lack of humility for the rest of the people around the world is the problem mostly in the modern age and it's only getting worse.

 

[RDM]

The fact that its gone completely OT and now has turned into a lets bash islam for the hell of it type of thread???...or has that completely and utterly gone over your head??...i havent said i dont like the subject....i have no problems with criticisms of Islam in all honesty but i do have an issue when it turns into a bashfest...

What is your problem with the use of ellipsis? Stop butchering the poor things, they have done nothing to you to deserve such abuse! The thread was always going to be anti-islamic due to the reason the thread had to exist in the first place. It is a reaction to pressure from the Islamic world to abide by their rules and that reaction is a resounding **** off. Sure some people have gone too far, but you get idiots in all walks of life and frankly them going too far in drawing an offensive picture is considerably less than the reactions of some muslims to the drawings in the real world. I still struggle as to why you keep participating in the tread to be honest. There have been threads in the past I have found offensive and wanted nothing to do with so I have just stopped reading them.

perhaps i should start a topic on jews or some other religious group and turn it into a bashfest....it wouldnt stay open for long.

Why don't you give it a shot and find out? Considering some of the muslim posters comments on jews in the past and the fact that they are still members and threads they posted in didn't get closed down I am going to guess things may not get closed down as fast as you would think. But hey, go for it, knock yourself out, if you want to be offensive about other religions (more than you have been so far anyway) then help yourself. See if that chip on your shoulder is justified.

Of course you would say its rubbish...i dont expect any less of you in all honesty.

And what exactly is that meant to mean?

But time and time again i have argued the positives of things....whether you choose to see that is your problem and not mine.

Sorry, not seen any real evidence of that at all. I could be wrong, if so, it shouldn't take you any time at all to show me.

 

[bhavv]

So you used the word dominance then later edited ...You changed the wording and meaning so you lied to make it look bad.

well thats what i said too...that you're a liar

Why would i want to hear what they say.....i really doubt it was the Quran giving them black eyes
im sure if you go into a womens refuge they can tell you that women beating isn't exclusive to Islam.

No, I accidentally recalled the wrong word and used domince instead of obedience. I were already done fixing that before you finished quoting it for a fact.

I didnt lie, I made a mistake and I admitted it was a mistake. Your just being like this if you keep on thinking that was a lie:

http://jumalanpilkka.110mb.com/mohammed_image_archive/extreme_mohammed/Crybaby_Muhammad.jpg

Also, I have provided quite lot of evidence from WOMEN that have lived under islamic life, that it is Islamic teachings that causes their husbands to be violent towards them. No other religion is anywhere near as bad with regards to treatment of women than Islam is.

You can all you like to argue against that, but it is extremely obvious to anyone that does a 5 minute search on 'Womens rights in Islam', except for you because you selectively choose the 1 link out of 20 articles that shows Islam in a completely inaccurate and unreal imaginary way.

It is when you consider that a certain portion of the latter are spreading false propaganda such as a lot of the information posted by some in this very thread.

Its not false propaganda, its the harsh critical truth about Islam that no Muslim wants to hear, and will whine and whige about because it makes them mad. Just like the cartoons, same thing .

 

[NeilF]

The people taking things beyond anything reasonable may well feel that they're doing it in respect to Islam but they most certainly are not and their views are not the shared views of many followers around the world.

I don't share the views of those people for example and neither does anyone in my family or anyone I know for that matter and we choose to not associate ourselves with such extremism. Because of this we live our lives happily in the areas we do and our neighbourhood accepts us as we do them in our cultural differences.

Islam isn't exactly a small portion of the world you do realise, it has millions/billions(?) of followers the world over and it's only a portion of these people who feel that they can control how people behave by citing their teaching of Islam as the holy grail of teachings. Of course those people are succeeding to a point in the countries they run but there's not much that can be done about that at present...

Then we're all in agreement then...

On the one hand we have mad religiously fanatical idiots threatening Mohammed knows what to innocent people. And in the other, a bunch of people sick and tired of this stupid threatening and manipulation, peacefully putting pencil to paper...

Now, keeping things in perspective - Given the former, the latter really just doesn't seem worth moaning about don't you think?

 

[mrk]

Then we're all in agreement then...

On the one hand we have mad religiously fanatical idiots threatening Mohammed knows what to innocent people. And in the other, a bunch of people sick and tired of this stupid threatening and manipulation, peacefully putting pencil to paper...

Now, keeping things in perspective - Given the former, the latter really just doesn't seem worth moaning about don't you think?

It is when you consider that a certain portion of the latter are spreading false propaganda such as a lot of the information posted by some in this very thread.

 

[bhavv]

So you used the word dominance then later edited ...You changed the wording and meaning so you lied to make it look bad.

well thats what i said too...that you're a liar

Why would i want to hear what they say.....i really doubt it was the Quran giving them black eyes
im sure if you go into a womens refuge they can tell you that women beating isn't exclusive to Islam.

No, I accidentally recalled the wrong word and used domince instead of obedience. I were already done fixing that before you finished quoting it for a fact.

I didnt lie, I made a mistake and I admitted it was a mistake. Your just being like this if you keep on thinking that was a lie:

http://jumalanpilkka.110mb.com/mohammed_image_archive/extreme_mohammed/Crybaby_Muhammad.jpg

Also, I have provided quite lot of evidence from WOMEN that have lived under islamic life, that it is Islamic teachings that causes their husbands to be violent towards them. No other religion is anywhere near as bad with regards to treatment of women than Islam is.

You can all you like to argue against that, but it is extremely obvious to anyone that does a 5 minute search on 'Womens rights in Islam', except for you because you selectively choose the 1 link out of 20 articles that shows Islam in a completely inaccurate and unreal imaginary way.

It is when you consider that a certain portion of the latter are spreading false propaganda such as a lot of the information posted by some in this very thread.

Its not false propaganda, its the harsh critical truth about Islam that no Muslim wants to hear, and will whine and whinge about because it makes them mad. Just like the cartoons, same thing .

Do you see atheists going mad when religious people call us immoral evil sinners with no values or respect for God and religion? Nope. But Religion loses because those accusations are completely false, whereas religious criticism does have plenty of truth to it.

Now if you are worried about the propaganda, why dont you redirect your efforts to doing something to stop that 'small minority' of Muslims who show the rest of the world exactly what your religion really is like .

Lookie here, Muslims threaten to kill creators of southpark, steal their address and personal info, and list it on a pro Jihad website:

According to you, thats propaganda? lol.

 

[eddiemcgarrigle]

With the bombings in New York, Madrid, London and the attempted bombings in Glasgow and London (again), I have lost all respect for a religion that describes itself as peaceful. The constant banners at every demonstration decrying the West as crusaders is proof to me that Islam is stuck in the past, 1000 years in the past.

 

[bhavv]

Look at this one, a Muslim woman from the UK calls up an Islamic Show from elsewhere for advice on converting to Christianity because she fears her fundamentalist Muslim husband, and she says -

There is no freedom of religion in Islam, no freedom at all!

Poor woman, poor kids to have to put up with the &^^££*£&£^$£ that she is married to.

 

[Amnesia]

No, I accidentally recalled the wrong word

I didnt lie, I made a mistake and I admitted it was a mistake.


you selectively choose the 1 link out of 20 articles that shows Islam in a completely inaccurate and unreal imaginary way.

ofcourse everytime you lie or use incorrect words then they are honest mistakes, because surely YOU bhaav would not twist the meanings or change the wording to put Islam in a bad light.
no religion is perfect bhaav but it's people who twist and turn meanings for their own gain.
some do it to spread hate against the west...some will do it for control over others. right now i see you as no different to those extremists who twist words/meanings to spread hate.


Goodbye.

 

[bhavv]

ofcourse everytime you lie or use incorrect words then they are honest mistakes, because surely YOU bhaav would not twist the meanings or change the wording to put Islam in a bad light.
no religion is perfect bhaav but it's people who twist and turn meanings for their own gain.
some do it to spread hate against the west...some will do it for control over others. right now i see you as no different to those who twist words/meanings to spread hate.

Goodbye.

Excuse me, hate? I'm not the one carrying out any bombings, suicide attacks, protesting for any kind of religious takeover of western countries, killing cartoonists, oppressing women according to any barbaric religious rules ......

Ok, tell me this. Whats the penalty for leaving Islam or being Gay according to the Koran?

I'm being no more worse than Wafa Sultan, Maryam Namzie, Richard Dawkins, or Robert Spencer. Of course, people who cant handle criticizm (those who follow the religion), are going to cry about lies and being out of context lol.

Open your eyes, look around, see what you need to see. I havnt lied one bit or made anything up.

Also, using dominace instead of obedience following submission is really such a big bloody deal lol.

 

[mrk]

Now if you are worried about the propaganda, why dont you redirect your efforts to doing something to stop that 'small minority' of Muslims who show the rest of the world exactly what your religion really is like .

Why should I? While those people have damaged the name of Islam with their terror attacks and localised killing of their own people I'm hardly going to rally at my own expense when it won't lead to a single change in their ways.

And anyway, I'm hardly the pinnacle of a religious person even though I was brought up in a completely peace-promoting Islamic background. Thankfully I have had the luxury of choice for what I want to do with my life and not had to deal with growing up within a minority surrounded by peer pressure making you institutionalised with that way of life.

Things like that have more in common with Stockhouse Syndrome too, live around it long and you become so blind to the dangers you begin to accept it and follow it.

Also, it's "I Was..." not "I were...". Easy mistake the first time round but the second? I know typing a debate on the internets is serious business but come on man...

 

[bhavv]

Why should I? While those people have damaged the name of Islam with their terror attacks and localised killing of their own people .....

I disagree that they have damaged the name of Islam at all, rather they show us exactly what Islam teaches and how people who are raised according to the scriptures can turn out to become such people.

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Also, it's "I Was..." not "I were...". Easy mistake the first time round but the second? I know typing a debate on the internets is serious business but come on man...

Lyk I cud giv a krap abowt mah spelhin ur gramma jus cawz u complayne.

 

[Vita]

I disagree that they have damaged the name of Islam at all, rather they show us exactly what Islam teaches and how people who are raised according to the scriptures can turn out to become such people.

Wow. Islam does not teach this. Seem's like you're as much brainwashed as the people who do the suicide attacks.

 

[bhavv]

Wow. Islam does not teach this. Seem's like you're as much brainwashed as the people who do the suicide attacks.

Yes it does actually. I already posted proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUp7QLyjWLk&playnext_from=TL&videos=HrPLGQLTn1o

That to me is the complete truth.

Seriously tell me this, why would people who were raised as Muslims then left feel the need to express themselves like this if what they say isnt true? Why would anyone lie about the religion that they were with if there was nothing wrong with it?

 

[NeilF]

It is when you consider that a certain portion of the latter are spreading false propaganda such as a lot of the information posted by some in this very thread.

Sad, but true... But - and here's the key thing - you can just ignore it... It's just words or pictures... Read it or view it at your discetion. It's your choice... And ultimately, it's all absolutely totally harmless to you.