May 20 is ‘Everybody Draw Mohammed Day’

[TipTop]

With the bombings in New York, Madrid, London and the attempted bombings in Glasgow and London (again), I have lost all respect for a religion that describes itself as peaceful.

You never see the so called 'moderate' muslims out on the street protesting against extremists for those atrocities. Neither do they protest the killing of children for going to school, killing women for trying to get an education, bombing other muslim civilians for no reason, hanging gays and adulterers, killing their own flesh and blood for bringing dishonour to the family and violent extremists dragging their 'peacefull' religion through the dirt?

No protests against any of the above. But when a Danish cartoonist draws muhammad there are riots, churches burned, embassies burned and violent deaths all over the word.

 

[Vita]

Yes it does actually. I already posted proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUp7QLyjWLk&playnext_from=TL&videos=HrPLGQLTn1o

That to me is the complete truth.

Seriously tell me this, why would people who were raised as Muslims then left feel the need to express themselves like this if what they say isnt true? Why would anyone lie about the religion that they were with if there was nothing wrong with it?

Study the Qur'an and you'll see for yourself it does not teach this. IF anything, it condones it. Get the facts right.

 

[NeilF]

You never see the so called 'moderate' muslims out on the street protesting against extremists for those atrocities. Neither do they protest the killing of children for going to school, killing women for trying to get an education, bombing other muslim civilians for no reason, hanging gays and adulterers, killing their own flesh and blood for bringing dishonour to the family and violent extremists dragging their 'peacefull' religion through the dirt?

No protests against any of the above. But when a Danish cartoonist draws muhammad there are riots, churches burned, embassies burned and violent deaths all over the word.

LOL! You have a point there - There's death threats made at some people who just make a cartoon, but seemingly not at people who stone women and children to death?

 

[bhavv]

But wait, wasnt there that one lovely moderate Muslim who got hammered one night and then ran around his city centre or somewhere vandalising and graffiti-ing everything with slogans like 'Sharia for Europe, UK you will pay, Islam will dominate world' or some other similar words to that effect?

Yup, thats your everyday normal moderate Muslim =D.

Just get them drunk, or give them some truth serum and poke 'em with a stick untill they say funny things about Islam dominating the world .

Damn, I want to set up a scientific experiment to test that now lol.

Study the Qur'an and you'll see for yourself it does not teach this. IF anything, it condones it. Get the facts right.

Why should I when Wafa Sultan and all the other people I already named have done and come to these conclusions? Why dont you get your facts right that the Koran isnt a good book?

Now tell me, what does it say about gays and people who leave Islam?

Meh, pay for a Koran, that would be too expensive for toilet / puke cleaning paper.

I can just find a free bible instead, much easier to get hold of

 

[bhavv]

Muslims living in the UK are so well integrated into Western culture, condemning of backward and extremist Islam, and open minded that, erm, they demanded and got their own Sharia courts???

Erm lulwut????

(P.S, I know we have had Sharia courts for a long time now, even before they opened and have opposed them ever since).

 

[mrk]

Yes it does actually. I already posted proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUp7QLyjWLk&playnext_from=TL&videos=HrPLGQLTn1o

That to me is the complete truth.

Seriously tell me this, why would people who were raised as Muslims then left feel the need to express themselves like this if what they say isnt true? Why would anyone lie about the religion that they were with if there was nothing wrong with it?

While Wafa is respected by many and has been in the media a lot especially since 9/11 there is more to it psychologically than you'd believe.

She witnessed an army of bullets hitting her professor many years ago fire by extremists who were shouting "GOD IS GREAT" or words to that effect and it was then that she decided to leave.

Sultan describes her thesis as witnessing "a battle between modernity and barbarism which Islam will lose". It has brought her telephone threats,[1] but also praise from reformers. Her comments, especially a pointed criticism that "no Jew has blown himself up in a German restaurant", brought her an invitation to Jerusalem by the American Jewish Congress.

Sultan believes that "The trouble with Islam is deeply rooted in its teachings. Islam is not only a religion. Islam [is] also a political ideology that preaches violence and applies its agenda by force."[9] In a discussion with Ahmad bin Muhammad, she said: "It was these teachings that distorted this terrorist and killed his humanity".[10] Sultan stated that she was shocked into secularism by the 1979 atrocities committed by Islamic extremists of the Muslim Brotherhood against innocent Syrians, including the machine-gun assassination of her professor, Yusef al Yusef,[11] an ophthalmologist from the University of Aleppo, renowned beyond Syria, in front of her eyes, when she was a medical student. "They shot hundreds of bullets into him, shouting, 'God is great!' " she said. "At that point, I lost my trust in their god and began to question all our teachings. It was the turning point of my life, and it has led me to this present point. I had to leave. I had to look for another god."[12]

Things like that would make anyone switch but those who did the shooting were using their teaching of Islam, which, like all religions, can be skewed many ways. Wafa even says that the trouble with Islam is in its teachings and rightly so, it is, unfortunately, taught the wrong way by those people and it's because those people are afraid of change and don't want a Western influence on their people and will use completely unreasonable force on their own people as well as innocent people anywhere else to get their way and preach their teachings.

It's unfortunate, but its the way the world turns.

 

[izzy eckerslike]

there's some very blinkered posters on here still claiming women get equal rights in islam,lol
why aren't they even allowed to pray in a mosque alongside men unless separated by a wall or in a different room?

I just read one bit where if a woman prays alongside men
quote:
she invalidates the prayer of three men: one to her right, another to her left and a third behind her, which may be summed up by saying that if the woman is desirable, has reached the age of seven years or is of marriageable age etc. etc. end Quote:

does that mean that all the men can't be trusted to not all indulge in a mass rape or what


Seems Moslem Women in the west, safer from imminent death are not happy either, lots of groups demanding prayer alongside men

Quote:
By Sarrah AbuLughod, March 8, 2010
“No, sister, you can’t go in that way! There’s a back door around the corner.” I can’t tell you how many times those words were said to me over the years as I tried to enter through the front door of many a mosque around the United States. There seems to be this unwritten, yet nationally recognized and practiced, tradition of leaving the worst space for the separate women’s prayer hall. From collecting funds to replace the soiled carpet and repaint the chipped walls, to silently walking in the front entrance and ignoring the disapproving glares as they make their way to the balcony rather than submit to the back prayer room turned childcare, through the years I’ve seen women protest against this dismissive treatment in a variety of ways.
The most ardent protests seem to have created quite the backlash. In the midst of Black History month and with the Greensboro Four sit-in heavy on people’s hearts and minds, Fatima Thompson and a few others decided to organize and participate in a “pray-in” last week at the Islamic Center of Washington in D.C. Police were summoned and threatened to arrest the women when they refused to leave the main prayer hall and continued their protest against being corralled in what they referred to as the “penalty box” of a prayer space reserved for women.
end Quote :

Hard to believe really, even in the USA

 

[bhavv]

Wow, you got it. And those teachings come from where? As Wafa says, right from the Koran.

Its unfortunate, and it is the way that the world does turn, but shouldnt, hence why so many secular people are opposed to Islam.

I already know plenty of the phychology, I have heard things like that in testimony after testimony after testimony from Women who have left Islam.

We dont want it happening anymore, least of all not in the free democratic world.

there's some very blinkered posters on here still claiming women get equal rights in islam,lol

Hard to believe really, even in the USA

Hey, dont bother going there, they'll just say that youre lying, taking things out of context, women are completely equal in Islam, and I suppose so are atheists, apostates, gays, christians, jews, hindus (I must have completely misheard the little brainwashed muslim girl telling me that polytheism is the single biggest sin in Islam).

Islam is peaceful, loving, and tolerant towards all of these people. If you listen to any Muslim.

Now, I wonder who is actually lying.

 

[mrk]

The world is far from free and democratic. If that were the case then Kim Il Jong would not be preparing his Army to attack South Korea at this very moment. And that's just one example.

If you answer any questions then answer this, do you agree or disagree that there are many Muslims out there that do not follow the way that extremists have been taught and continue to teach Islam and that those people are completely sane minded yet are also completely faithful to their religion and respectful of other faiths?

Just a simple "agree" or "disagree" will do.

 

[bhavv]

I do not agree that there is anyone out there who believes in any God or religion that is sane minded.

All religions are mental diseases, and people who believe in God are as insane as adults who believe in fairies and leprechauns. Of course there was a lovely cartoon depicting this, but I cant be bothered looking for it, theres too many to go through.

And I do not respect any of them, but I dont attack anyone with violence, only one particular faith seems to do that a lot.

The world is far from free and democratic.

Indeed, but I have the privilege of living in a democratic country that is mostly free, and I wont stand by silently while Islam is an affront to that.

 

[SB118]

Peoples view of Islam is skewed by the "lack" of outrage from "normal" Muslims when the lunatic fringe foam at the mouth, demand the death of people for non-crimes and generally blow **** up.

When our armed forces were sent into the gulf there were several big protests "Not In My Name", people marching in the street and giving the media lots of coverage and making it very clear that a large number of people didn't want it to be happening.

Since Islam hit the news proper on 9/11 i've heard of maybe 1 or 2 Imams stepping forward and sating that the nutters do not represent Islam or it's beliefs. Perhaps if we saw Muslims making more of a fuss that this "minority" doesn't represent most Muslims then people might start breaking the connection of Islam = terrorism or Islam = repressing women, etc.

Just a thought.

The Muslims i know personally are more interested in fiddling their child tax credits than building bombs, so they've integrated quite well really

 

[bhavv]

Of course Muslims arent going to complain about it, because according to the teachings of Islam that they (should) believe in as Muslims, they want Islam to dominate the world, and get a real kicker out of Islamic culture spreading into and potentially taking over its host country with Mosques popping up all over the place and Sharia law being implemented like an opportunistic disease.

Islam is the only religion that is a political parasite as well as a major delusion. The rest being just the latter.

 

[Tefal]

Muslims living in the UK are so well integrated into Western culture, condemning of backward and extremist Islam, and open minded that, erm, they demanded and got their own Sharia courts???


Erm lulwut????

(P.S, I know we have had Sharia courts for a long time now, even before they opened and have opposed them ever since).

Do you oppose the Christians ones?

Or the Jewish ones?

or the secular ones too?

They are arbitrators not courts, both party have to agree to give them power.

They cannot be used for criminal proceedings.

 

[bhavv]

Do you oppose the Christians ones?

Or the Jewish ones?

or the secular ones too?

They are arbitrators not courts, both party have to agree to give them power.

They cannot be used for criminal proceedings.

I fully support the removal of all and any kind of religious influence in not only the court / law system, but also in schools and in the work place (Particularly in the NHS where Muslim workers are allowed to wear sleeves at the violation of health and safety rules, and religion being forcibly taught in school assemblies and religious classes). I'd also support a ban on all religious items from school and work as well (Christian crosses, Sikh bangles, and head scarves etc etc). Religion should only be in the home and the place of worship.

Religion should be limited to the home and the place of worship. It does not need to affect anything else in any modern society.

 

[NeilF]

I fully support the removal of all and any kind of religious influence in not only the court / law system, but also in schools and in the work place.

Religion should be limited to the home and the place of worship. It does not need to affect anything else in any modern society.

Yep, religion should stay in the mind... That's where it starts and ends...

 

[Tefal]

So why should people who want to settle their civil differences under rules they both agree are better be forced to use your religions system?

 

[bhavv]

So why should people who want to settle their civil differences under rules they both agree are better be forced to use your religions system?

I dont get it, the court system should not be religious as this is easilly open to discrimination and gender inequality based on however the Judge believes the religion should be practiced.

See Maryam Namazie's One Law For All speech to fully understand this:

 

[Tefal]

I dont get it, the court system should not be religious as this is easilly open to discrimination and gender inequality based on however the Judge believes the religion should be practiced.

See Maryam Namazie's One Law For All speech to fully understand this:

It's not a court it's an arbitrator.


Both parties have to agree to make it binding, otherwise one can say no I want to do it though this through the civil courts.


If two people agree to sort their civil differences out by a naked baked bean wrestling match it would be the same.


No one can be forced into one of these arbitrations.


Do you think we should ban Islamic bank accounts?

 

[NeilF]

If you answer any questions then answer this, do you agree or disagree that there are many Muslims out there that do not follow the way that extremists have been taught and continue to teach Islam and that those people are completely sane minded yet are also completely faithful to their religion and respectful of other faiths?

Just a simple "agree" or "disagree" will do.

Agree...

Now answer this question, in two parts. 1) Has any Muslim been forced to view "Draw Mohammed Day" on facebook? 2) Has any Muslim viewing "Draw Mohammed Day" on facebook, found themselves actually threated in anyway, or had to, in any way at all, change their lifestyle?

Yes or no will do...

 

[keyser87]

It's not a court it's an arbitrator.


Both parties have to agree to make it binding, otherwise one can say no I want to do it though this through the civil courts.


If two people agree to sort their civil differences out by a naked baked bean wrestling match it would be the same.


No one can be forced into one of these arbitrations.


Do you think we should ban Islamic bank accounts?

there are countless cases of women being forced to do things such as arranged marriages. What protection do they have under shariah?