It's not like that happened instantly, Alonso almost pulled off something we had never seen before. A championship in neither the fastest or most reliable car at Ferrari. It's understandable after years of frustration dragging Ferrari where it should not have been that he sought other avenues. It's not like he'd have another title had he stayed. He took a gamble and in the scheme or world titles he's hasn't missed out on any.
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It's not like that happened instantly, Alonso almost pulled off something we had never seen before. A championship in neither the fastest or most reliable car at Ferrari. It's understandable after years of frustration dragging Ferrari where it should not have been that he sought other avenues. It's not like he'd have another title had he stayed. He took a gamble and in the scheme or world titles he's hasn't missed out on any.
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The Ferrari with two DNF's of which were both crashes, against the RBR of Vettel who had two DNFs from alternator failure... but the Ferrari wasn't more reliable? Likewise wasn't the fastest? It had poorer qualifying pace but superior race pace across most of the season. Somehow this makes people think Alonso almost dragged a crap car to the title and it's laughable. He had a 44 point lead and he only lost because he screwed up in Japan. He had the MOST reliable car on the grid and it was I would say joint fastest, with worse quali pace than Mclaren or RBR but better race pace than either.
People have some strange memories, I mean not the most reliable when he had no reliability failures and his direct rival had two.... lol.
Hopefully. Alonso deserves to win again before he retires
Soldato
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda-f1-engines-mclaren-dyno-918068/
What?! Surely starting at the back of the grid with a reliable engine is far better than not finishing at all. Both cars finishing a damned race would be a much better situation. They are neither fast nor reliable. If they were fast and competitive it makes more sense but they're nowhere with nothing. I can only guess the countermeasure will drop performance outside gaining points so they risk unreliability for 10th place.
Honda have lost the plot.
Oh and as someone mentioned about Red Bull having a full gearbox and axle used to test load on the engine.... I can only assume that's what Honda need for getting accurate dyno data with some atmospheric simulation (I assume they can already do that).
What?! Surely starting at the back of the grid with a reliable engine is far better than not finishing at all. Both cars finishing a damned race would be a much better situation. They are neither fast nor reliable. If they were fast and competitive it makes more sense but they're nowhere with nothing. I can only guess the countermeasure will drop performance outside gaining points so they risk unreliability for 10th place.
Honda have lost the plot.
Oh and as someone mentioned about Red Bull having a full gearbox and axle used to test load on the engine.... I can only assume that's what Honda need for getting accurate dyno data with some atmospheric simulation (I assume they can already do that).
Soldato
Even if they start from the back, the upgrades should push them ahead of Sauber and competing with Renault/STR/Haas, which is what they are currently doing now but getting mugged down the straights and regular DNF's. With the amount of engines popping they will have to take penalties anyway.
Strip out an NSX, put an engine in the back and keep on lapping it until you can get some data that might be of use.
Strip out an NSX, put an engine in the back and keep on lapping it until you can get some data that might be of use.
It's actually happening!! McLaren to drop Honda!! (well according to the Daily Fail LoL).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...aren-ditch-Honda-engines-switch-Mercedes.html
Andi.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...aren-ditch-Honda-engines-switch-Mercedes.html
Andi.
Hahaha they show a picture of Alonso's retirement from the Indy 500 as an example. What a joke of 'journalism'.
Well it was another Honda engine failure wasn't it
Andi.
but how the deadline has passed, unless everyone agrees and when has that ever happened in f1..
also if you read the article, it only says pushing for a deal, not that anything is signed. Daily Fail really should die, why to people buy it or read it.
Man of Honour
It's nigh on impossible for the teams to agree to something like this. Anything that jeopardizes their own chance of scoring points they will just veto. It's better for teams like Renault, Toro Rosso and Force India if McLaren are not taking points off them, so they would love them to be stuck with Honda..
I don't think the other teams would jeopardise the future of F1 by being quite so childish.
F1 would be so much less attractive without any more teams at the moment. I fear for Sauber at the moment, Haas also don't seem to be making the progress they had hoped and of course Red Bull still talking about leaving if no engine changes are forthcoming.
Andi.
F1 would be so much less attractive without any more teams at the moment. I fear for Sauber at the moment, Haas also don't seem to be making the progress they had hoped and of course Red Bull still talking about leaving if no engine changes are forthcoming.
Andi.
Soldato
If you can say that with a straight face I'd be impressed.
If they manage to get the change agreed and run merc engines, who will they blame for the poor performances then.
Associate
The fact they're customer engines and not the same as the works team I'd imagine, just for the circle to come full loop
I don't think customer engines are allowed to be different, they may lag behind on updates as Williams have recently had.The fact they're customer engines and not the same as the works team I'd imagine, just for the circle to come full loop
Andi.
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Oh I agree, I even think it would be in Mercedes benefit for McLaren to bounce back once they switch engines. I just think that will be the excuse they keep in waiting should it not be the miracle cure they're claiming it would be.
Agreed. Teams will do detailed analysis of the other teams and if Red Bull or Force India think McLaren will be ahead of them with Mercedes power what incentive do they have to agree to the switch? I'd could be a difference of £10m+ for them year on year.
I can imagine teams need to approve an in season change but I can't see restrictions on next year.
Andi.
Andi.
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:Yeahthat: Can't see it being a mid season change, otherwise Honda would probably want their large lump of money back. Imagine it'll be from next season.