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No it wouldn't, that's a ridiculous assertion.
And actually Jackson's LOTR proves that you can change the source material because of the demands of the medium for one thing and still produce amazing TV and movies, and that people will accept the changes - that's if you have talent, and a desire to stay true to the author's presentation of HIS World. You can see opposite of this approach at work with Amazon's disastrous modern "take" on JRRT.
So it's no use trying to lump in all TV and movies which " change the source material" as the same because they're absolutely not. That's a really simplisticic argument and it's not going to convince anyone who has more than two functioning brain cells.
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Caporegime
It's almost impossible to have a perfect print-to-screen representation of the original material and I don't think any of us are asking for that. Different directors could read a scene from a book and come up with two very different results, and then it's incredibly difficult to get the right actor for every role. What we need is a middle ground, because in some cases it's gone too far in one direction, where they're changing a lot of the fundamentals to the point where some adaptations are almost unrecognisable.
I also think it is really a stretch to say that if the LOTR films were released today, they would get the same woke outcry. There would ofcourse be some people who would find fault with them (as with anything), but not to the extent that we've seen with some recent releases.
I also think it is really a stretch to say that if the LOTR films were released today, they would get the same woke outcry. There would ofcourse be some people who would find fault with them (as with anything), but not to the extent that we've seen with some recent releases.
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Yep
Arwen for example, not really a major character that gets anything to do in the book - But in the movies she replaces Glorfindel to take the hobbits away from the Black Riders.
Not really worth countering as it lacks any insight or critical thinking skills.
It's just primary school level - A and B are the same because they have C in common to some degree.
Soldato
Or Jackson disastrous take in the hobbit.
That project was ruined before it started with the studio insisting on it being a trilogy. Left to his own devices he would have made another top notch Tolkien film, staying close to source material - his track record with LOTR proves that.
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Sir Ian McKellen was notorious for carrying the books under his robes and would mark the sections they were filming and any time Peter Jackson wanted to change something he’d reach inside and open the book to tell Jackson that’s not how it goes. Drove Jackson crazy apparently.
the whole 7 dwarves thing was a hiding to being criticised however they did it. Normal people shrunk in some way, should’ve hired dwarf actors. CGI dwarves? Should have hired real people. Hired the dwarf actors? The dwarf acting was wooden and bad. Disney shouldn't have done this one as a live action remake at all.
Soldato
Yep. But isn't the issue is that some users think the root cause is blue haired people, and others user their brain and can see that the whole show was rubbish, and then there's c Kent who thinks pointing that out means you enjoy it so he's on another level of brain disengagement
Soldato
He made it. The blame is with him. It was trash.
But if you read up what actually happened, with him coming last minute and the issues with reduced time being the fault.
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Lord of the Rings really wasn't that faithful lol, Aragorn was like a completely different character.
And you don't think a character being removed from the story and their role being given to a female character would be called woke now? Not to mention her being included throughout the story when she's not in it at all.
And lets not get started about the toughest of tough characters being killed by a woman who then announces she is no man. LOTR would 100% be described as woke if it was released now
And you don't think a character being removed from the story and their role being given to a female character would be called woke now? Not to mention her being included throughout the story when she's not in it at all.
And lets not get started about the toughest of tough characters being killed by a woman who then announces she is no man. LOTR would 100% be described as woke if it was released now
No it's not, it's with the studios. They wanted to milk a a very thin book stretch over three films, what happened after that decision contributed to it's failings but the initial decision doomed it. And actually, the intial plan was for three new films, one being The Hobbit and two other films in the same era, which is what should have happened.
Lord of the Rings really wasn't that faithful lol, Aragorn was like a completely different character.
And you don't think a character being removed from the story and their role being given to a female character would be called woke now? Not to mention her being included throughout the story when she's not in it at all.
And lets not get started about the toughest of tough characters being killed by a woman who then announces she is no man. LOTR would 100% be described as woke if it was released now
That's because Eowen is a likeable and believable carachter with depth in a masterpiece of film-making, while Not-Galadriel is a horrible **** in a disastrously dog**** TV show. Not only this but Eowen is played by a far superior actress, Amazon's Galadriel is about as convincing as a pengiun in dark glasses trying to get into a polar bears only nightclub.
And at the end of the day the difference will be shown by popularity and longevity, the books are timeless and will live forever as will Jackson's trilogy, whereas ROP will serve only as a masterclass on how to made awful TV before being being flushed down the u-bend of History and never spoken of again.
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believable character? She is one of the biggest Mary Sue characters of all time. She has literally never been in war and suddenly defeats the Witch King of Angmar in single combat because she swung a sword around in her room a few times.
Aragorn literally comments about the skill and swordsmanship of the women of Rohirrim? And she was getting absolutely pummelled by the Witch King and was nearly defeated until Merrin stabbed him in the leg? Hardly an easy victory.
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He said her stew was nice too, he must be telling the truth and not just humouring her. The fact that she could even survive a blow from him was laughable. That people can complain about Rey and then turn round and say Eowyn is fine is just hilarious
Eowyn was lucky to survive. Rey was ‘guided by the Force’.He said her stew was nice too, he must be telling the truth and not just humouring her. The fact that she could even survive a blow from him was laughable. That people can complain about Rey and then turn round and say Eowyn is fine is just hilarious
Soldato
Yeah it suggests they don't know the actual source material but as they liked the film they didn't care, but now they go in hating the film because a girl is in the place.He said her stew was nice too, he must be telling the truth and not just humouring her. The fact that she could even survive a blow from him was laughable. That people can complain about Rey and then turn round and say Eowyn is fine is just hilarious
It's like those who moan hermione is played by a black actress. They already hate it. But then apex says "it's OK, eoywns story was good and complex etc" which although true, shows how he's willing to bend his views for certain characters and not others, as maybe someone like black hermione is good and complex too but that's now irrelevant.
The reality is that it's not woke that's causing these movies all to be a pile of turd