Yep they have nothing to lose now. Their world is being torn down and replaced with a dictatorship.
Luckily China is fighting a whole city so they cant single people out.
Meanwhile in Hong Kong....
- Thread starter mmj_uk
- Start date
Yep they have nothing to lose now. Their world is being torn down and replaced with a dictatorship.
Luckily China is fighting a whole city so they cant single people out.
Caporegime
- Joined
- 30 Jul 2013
- Posts
- 29,679
Just saw some of it on the news. That was Absolutely abhorrent
Not that the police are much better, shooting unarmed people and driving motorcycles at them.
Excellent Twitter thread here, with details and footage of latest developments at Poly University.
Police used riot vehicles, stun grenades, tear gas, and water cannons. Students responded with Molotov cocktails.
Many have been arrested, but the students still hold the university.
Police used riot vehicles, stun grenades, tear gas, and water cannons. Students responded with Molotov cocktails.
Many have been arrested, but the students still hold the university.
True. It's better to be imprisoned in a HK prison now for fighting for your freedom than be rounded up and extradited in a year or two time as a dissident for speaking out against an increasingly authoritarian/totalitarian government.
Hong Kong should be made an independent city state but China won't have it and the threat of physical force simply won't work with them. The world would need to band together to hurt China economically and if that ever happened China might go full National Socialist on Asia. Who's going to stop them? they have more soldiers than most countries do population and with their digital presence they probably know more of what goes in many countries than those countries own governments do. China's digital/technological capability makes Russia look like a backwards country, if anyone is interfering in elections it will be them.
Well not just molotovs, they were using bows and arrows and firing bricks from large catapults too. And good on them, life as they know it is about to come to an end. I fully expect the Chinese military to be 'invited in' any day now.
The people of HK are ******, because the world will do nothing.
On the other hand they've rarely done well fighting against Western forces and one factor is the far lower built in experience of actual war which ultimately counts for a lot in any conflict - they need that numbers advantage even in this day and age.
Soldato
- Joined
- 21 Oct 2011
- Posts
- 22,398
- Location
- ST4
Fresh from beating supporters of Catalan independence.
Soldato
- Joined
- 15 Mar 2010
- Posts
- 11,382
- Location
- Bucks
I feel like all these protests are missing a trick. Why are they not just mass striking?
HK, Catalonia are massive financial hubs - grind all that to a halt and the opposition have to start talking.
HK, Catalonia are massive financial hubs - grind all that to a halt and the opposition have to start talking.
They may have more soldiers, but they can't fight, half their ships are empty and they put up a huge show much like Russia does.
Fresh from beating supporters of Catalan independence.
It's fine, because inclusive beatings.
Soldato
- Joined
- 29 Jul 2004
- Posts
- 7,150
Oh man, you cant even make this stuff up.Fresh from beating supporters of Catalan independence.
Well like with Korea, the US are likely to run away. The fact is that one side has to worry about sending body bags home, the other can outlast it. How that pivots in the US's favour would depend on Chinese loyalty to their nation (which for now is rather strong, especially after the tariffs).
Though to be fair, the enemy would expressly be China, and not simply North Korea with the hope that China wasn't going to involve themselves (which is what seemingly went through MacArthur's head). The nukes frankly mean that no conflict would occur without everyone losing though, so... this is all rather pointless.
The fact is that the US is not going to help HK and neither will anyone else, Taiwan is in a difficult spot though, i have no idea how that will unfold, i assume China will do a Crimea on it and call the US's bluff.
Are we at a flashpoint? I don't see how China would take economic ruin well without some level of revenge, I know they've been desperate to insulate themselves from the global economy, but has that been achieved?
Last edited:
Associate
- Joined
- 2 Sep 2013
- Posts
- 2,162
Think of it this way. The obligation of the police service will treat you differently with your passport as they need to keep up appearances at the minimal on the internation scene, which they can't do if they won't treat you appropriately with the correct Police service. Even if you yourself feel you can't trust them, because you certainly won't get any real help from the protestors on the official basis when and if you need it, it's the Police, or pray you never need them, but never mistake that you will need them when you do, unless you prefer not to even when you need them that is. In which case, you didn't really need to ask the question in the first place. So really, just stay away from the idiots gatherings and you'll be fine.
May I present the following:
In such situations, where nearly no one is doing any real thinking, and only acting on their emotions. Whether you think they are in the right, or in the wrong (for the Police; dumping of bricks over a bridge walkway, protecting the law of the land, or the protestors; swiping at a drawn gun, or lighting the clothes of a person with an opposing view, fighting for freedom). Actions like that happen; Idiots all around. What would you call them otherwise? Heroes?
The protesters are going to push too hard for the Chinese Government to be able to keep standing back, so eventually there will be a big crack-down where the lives of ordinary HK'ers will be made much worse because of the actions of a violent minority.
These protesters have already stopped the main thing they were initially protesting about - extradition to China which is now scrapped - yet they keep violently "protesting" rather than peacefully doing so, and eventually China will be forced to crackdown and THAT is what this small number of violent protesters really want, another Chinese "massacre" to shock the world rather than a peaceful resolution which is wanted by the majority.
OK, would you defend the protesters who are using violence against that regime?
These protesters have already stopped the main thing they were initially protesting about - extradition to China which is now scrapped - yet they keep violently "protesting" rather than peacefully doing so, and eventually China will be forced to crackdown and THAT is what this small number of violent protesters really want, another Chinese "massacre" to shock the world rather than a peaceful resolution which is wanted by the majority.
OK, would you defend the protesters who are using violence against that regime?
I think that is vastly glossing over that many of them realise the long run is going to be an increased authoritarian regime imposed on their lives and many of the freedoms they are used to disappearing. Ultimately there is little hope of any other outcome for them short of leaving as they can't really win in the long run, China might retreat here and there along the way but they won't stop pushing towards their eventual goal - the only hope these protestors really have is that somehow the world is shocked into having to act to such an extent China is forced to be hands off for a very long time to come.