Mercedes Benz and AMG Owners

Last I looked prices on these have gone up about £3k since I bought it. I guess people are buying them for the spring/summer.

I haven't noticed much of a price increase since last Autumn. They've never really dropped much below £15k aside from the >100k milers.

I was hoping for a winter bargain, but they never really arrived. All the cheap ones were either tatty, needed brakes or were poorly specced.

I'm off to look at the at Williams Motor Co in Cardiff this week. And I'm still tempted by that one at GP Cars :( I know I'll get royally shafted come resale, but after speaking to the previous owner and seeing how much love and money he spent on it, I feel like being brave!
 
Few things done over the last few weeks!

Replaced the front passenger side window regulator last week! Managed it in a far quicker time than it took to do the driver side now that I knew what I was doing :p should have guessed it would go not long after the drivers one did.

Also picked up a STAR kit recently and diagnosed and replaced a faulty rear parking sensor for the grand total of £10 (the sensor, not the STAR!) :)

Had the center box replaced with an X-Pipe and the secondary cats out for a bit more of that V8 growl and burble. Sounds like a slightly angrier C63 now ;)
 
Thought I'd share in case anyone was interested! Didn't take too many pictures as I got too engrossed in the job :p

Performed quite a major upgrade to the car last weekend – updating the entire infotainment system to the latest version of Comand available to the W219 CLS during its production run.

Being an earlier MY, my car came with NTG1 Comand, DVD based Navigation and the additional options of Harman Kardon Audio, Analog/Digital TV Tuner, Bluetooth and Phone pre-wire.

The intended upgrade would see me with the updated NTG2.5 system which came on very late production runs of the W219 (I believe 2008/2009). It introduced hard drive based navigation, full postcode search, 3D maps, updated voice control system, SD card reader and entirely updated UI and continued integration with the steering wheel controls and instrument cluster display.

This project involved installing:
• New NTG2.5 Headunit
• New wring loom and adaptations to existing wiring
• New Main Harman Kardon Amplifier
• New Subwoofer Amplifier

It also involved removing:
• Old NTG1 Headunit
• Old Audio Gateway/Amplifier
• Old Navigation Processor/DVD Drive
• Old CD Changer
• Old TV Tuner
• Old Bluetooth and Phone modules

In these cars, all the audio is carried over a MOST fiber optic loop so everything pre-existing on the loop would be redundant and needed to be removed. The new headunit contains the navigation processor and maps, phone control, Bluetooth etc but this also means that because everything was originally connected in the boot (GPS antenna, Bluetooth antenna, radio antenna, microphone) the cables needed to be extended, modified and routed up to the front of the car.

I was in a particularly awkward position because of the Harman Kardon system – without this, the upgrade is a lot simpler as the headunit takes over the role of amplifier from the old Audio Gateway. With Harman Kardon, the additional amplifiers are required to make things work properly with the existing speakers and the fiber optic loop connection needs to be made between the new headunit and the main HK amplifier.

I did a lot of research beforehand and eventually found all the part numbers I needed and set about buying the bits. Evntually a clear weekend came up and I decided to take the car apart on the drive.

Started with removing the CD Changer in the center console - the flip up hidden panel it sits behind can no longer be controlled by the car when you change to NTG2.5 (without additional messing about – it’s on my list of things to do). It needs to be removed with the AGW still connected to the car so the panel is operational and reconnected to close it before continuing.

Gear Lever Surround
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The headunit was then removed fairly easily and unplugged from the rear.

CD Changer Removed (Can see the open fiber optic loop connector in orange)
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Now the time consuming bit. I needed to remove most of the trim and carpet running down the passenger side of the car from the centre console past the passenger footwell, down the kick panels at both front and rear doors, the base of the B pillar and the rear seat base and side. Managed to get away with not removing the front seat…

Passenger Footwell (poor pic!)
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Passenger Kick Panel
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Rear Passenger Seat
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Once all the trim was removed, you are able to see the plastic cable duct that runs the entire length of the car and the route the loom takes going from front to rear through to the boot. I ran the new loom in the same ducting, connected all the headunit connectors (quad lock block and 3x FAKRA) to one end and left the other end dangling in the boot for now. There is a microphone extension cable that needs to be plugged in about half way up the rear wheel arch section of the cable duct.

Next was ripping apart the boot trim: carpet, side panel, rear panel and storage compartments. This gave access to the cage where the other modules live. It’s quite delicate working in this area because of the proximity to the rear SAM but it’s doable if you’re careful. The Navigation Drive and TV Tuner come out of the cage and the old Audio Gateway/HK Amplifier is actually located on a bracket between the inner and outer shell of the car body. There’s also a plastic clam shell type affair at back of the boot which contains the phone/Bluetooth module – that needs to be disconnected too.

Removing the Old:
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Once they’re all removed, the wiring loom adapter etc can be pulled through and routed down to the correct position. I managed to re-use the existing mounting bracket/cage and bolts to secure the new main HK amplifier in the same position and used the cage to mount the subwoofer amplifier. There were some connector and wiring modifications to do due to slightly different pin-outs but it’s just plug and play with the FAKRA extensions.

Refitted the New
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All reassembled looking good as new (if not better!).

Rear Live Feed
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I wired the rear amplifier loom permanent live and ground near the battery in the boot – just used an empty fuse location. Did similar for the headunit live and ground at the front fuse box (this was actually a bit annoying since the fuse box location has been shifted to the driver side on RHD cars whereas on LHD, it’s also on the passenger side which makes life much easier when wiring things up).

Few multimeter checks and powered on after making sure the fibre optic loop had no breaks (much of it is unused so the couplers that exist where the rest of the equipment used to be can be used to, for example, close up the gap where the CD Changer used to connect). The fibre cable is actually quite stuff and you need to be careful when re-routing it so as not to scratch the polished lens ends or bend it too sharply or it’ll break.

Perfectly OEM
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All working :)

Planned for the next free weekend:

Reversing Camera - I already have the parts for the reversing camera which is enabled by Comand when the car is put into reverse. This is a dedicated video FAKRA input on the rear of the headunit for which I ran the cable at the same time as the main install.

Media Interface – Parts waiting for the media interface installation into the glove box – this is another connection to the fibre optic loop that adds an interface for AUX, iPod and USB disks that can be controlled by Comand.

Quite an experience doing it all myself - also quite scary standing back and looking at the car in pieces! The key thing was taking my time doing it all and planning it from finding parts and part numbers right through to what order to do things in.

Bonus Car Pic:
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Wow, seriously impressive work, im really not sure that id have the balls and patience to bother upgrading like that :eek:
 
Agreed. I remember trying a job along the same lines (albeit considerably simpler) in my old Astra and gave up after a few hours. Definitely wouldn't have the balls to try it with a car like that.
 
:) thanks. It took most of the day Saturday and half of Sunday. Spent the rest of Sunday cleaning it :p

It was pretty daunting at first but it did give me a massive appreciation for how the system works - I've learnt a lot and feel much more confident with most things to do with the Comand system now.

I did forget to mention - there wasn't anything to do to coding-wise either - it accepted the new hardware and all worked straight away. I hooked up my STAR diag anyway to check but as far as I can tell you have to force it to view the car as a later MY than it is to see NTG2.5 and perform any coding.

Might be necessary to add options in the future like TV, DAB, Media Interface etc if they aren't already enabled in the headunit.
 
Wow, nice work!
To think I still haven't managed to figure out how to copy music files off USB et al into the mysteriously non-present Music Register in my CLS :(
 
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Wow, nice work!
To think I still haven't managed to figure out how to copy music files off USB et al into the mysteriously non-present Music Register in my CLS :(

I haven't played about with copying anything to the HDD music register yet - it's meant to hold some CDDB info isn't it?

I know its meant to be possible to 'rip' from CDs - not sure about USB or SD though!
 
I haven't played about with copying anything to the HDD music register yet - it's meant to hold some CDDB info isn't it?

I know its meant to be possible to 'rip' from CDs - not sure about USB or SD though!

My problem is that there is no 'Music Register' option listed under devices in Media - 2x USB, SD, DVD and Bluetooth......sales brochure mentioned 10GB space, and manual talks about it, but the option is simply not there :eek: Haven't tried a CD in the drive yet, mind, just Count Duckula DVD :p

That said, should probably just get down to local dealer, and accept I am probably being daft - car is only just over 5 months old!
 
I've been getting some false messages on the Dashboard about the Bulbs, sometimes rear left, sometimes front right parking bulb and when checking they are working fine?

Any idea what could be the issue?
 
I've been getting some false messages on the Dashboard about the Bulbs, sometimes rear left, sometimes front right parking bulb and when checking they are working fine?

Any idea what could be the issue?

I believe that most bulb checking systems work via resistance, so if the resistance changes in the bulb before it blows it will flag up, or if there is corrosion in a bulb holder that affects resistance that could cause a warning too.
 
In this Renntech 459 Edition A45 AMG today.













Thanks to a few tweaks the 2.0-litre motor puts out a whopping 453bhp and 398lb ft. Suffice it to say that it gets down the road quite well :D
 
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