#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?

Ex-Tory minister Andrew Griffiths found to have raped wife - BBC News

Legally, how does this work?

According to the article, it seems to be as follows: two people gave their account to a judge, the judge decides who she believes, that account is then considered "proven".

Is that about right?

Mr Griffiths said no assault had taken place but Judge Williscroft said she "preferred" Ms Griffiths's account.
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^Esp this bit!
 
Family Court. Actual proof isn't required - well, the standard of proof required isn't as high as would be in criminal courts.

It all comes down to who the judge is persuaded by the most, however the system itself is heavily biased towards believing the woman.

I thought findings of fact in family courts were private though?
 
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It's the same with domestic violence. A bloke who lives in the next street to me phoned the police because his mrs had gone mental and attacked him with a kitchen knife, and the only way he could stop her from stabbing him was to fight her off and try to physically restrain her. The police turned up, she gave them a sob story which they believed (because a woman would never lie about this ****, right?) and they arrested him and left her in his house. A house which she then tried to burn down.
 
explicit4u said:
How so?
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Perhaps I spoke incorrectly. As accusations do not need to be proven, judges seem to favour the females narrative of events if disputed by the husband/partner.

The system itself is designed around domestic violence against women which is why there are no DV courses for women to attend, they're only for men.
 
Malevolence said:
It's the same with domestic violence. A bloke who lives in the next street to me phoned the police because his mrs had gone mental and attacked him with a kitchen knife, and the only way he could stop her from stabbing him was to fight her off and try to physically restrain her. The police turned up, she gave them a sob story which they believed (because a woman would never lie about this ****, right?) and they arrested him and left her in his house. A house which she then tried to burn down.
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What was the final outcome of that?
 
Malevolence said:
It's the same with domestic violence. A bloke who lives in the next street to me phoned the police because his mrs had gone mental and attacked him with a kitchen knife, and the only way he could stop her from stabbing him was to fight her off and try to physically restrain her. The police turned up, she gave them a sob story which they believed (because a woman would never lie about this ****, right?) and they arrested him and left her in his house. A house which she then tried to burn down.
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My brother-in-law nearly fell foul of something similar. He had been having some problems with his new wife (he never learns - divorced several times now). I happened to be visiting my mother in law who was nearby. When the brother called his mum about an argument that was going on he realised I was there and asked me to come over to witness it. I don't know what happened before I got there, but I saw her slap him several times before she called the police. They obviously thought he was the aggressor until they asked who I was, why I was there and what I saw. After I gave my account they arrested her and removed her. If I wasn't there, then I'm pretty sure he would have been the one arrested.

He dropped the charges as all he wanted was her out of the house. A week later my car was keyed, which I'm sure was total coincidence.
 
I obviously don't watch enough tv - new ee advert on sexist abuse -
Greth Southgate speaking out .. just as the premier league say they are giving up the knee - his level of mansplaining is as bad as the famous Gilette adds.
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After listening to below podcast about 2 recent rape accusations in premier league, with pitch, fly-by hoarding ‘Keep the rapists off the pitch’
and being aware of Ronaldo case too, seems like the knee should be replaced by something stronger than the meager consent training being proposed for these man-boys,
to avoid the sport becoming a pariah, like racism accusations have diminished cricket.
surprisingly womens football doesn't yet seem to have associated itself with this problem, which itself probably speaks volumes that they believe current popularity would evaporate if they did.
podcast doesn't discuss if accusations againt english league footballers are higher than general population, or, in other sports, but they need to set an example, given influential position in many teens/20's lives.

Rape allegations about a footballer have led to debate online and protests in real life. A woman who says she was raped by a Premier League footballer put her allegations and evidence for them online. On social media some people have tried to pick holes in her account and demanded anonymity for people accused of rape. Others are outraged that the player hasn’t been suspended by his club. In real life, an aeroplane banner protest said “Kick rapists off the pitch”. What’s the law on identifying rape suspects? How common are false allegations of rape? And do people actually understand the law on rape?
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reading about below BBC documentary - not sure who she & don't remember her from the inbetweeners (more of a skins fan), but heard some of an indignant interview on the radio this am.
Emily Atack on Asking For It? "This was the hardest thing I've ever filmed in my life"


I don't know why BBC indulge people who want to make such shows.
here, relating their, probably unrepresentative, harassment experience; this perpetuates the concern/fear by other folks on the prevalence of the issue,
meanwhile, she finds, unsurprisingly, that the idiots who harass her step up their activity, a vicious circle; just the BBC ratings as a winner.
 
jpaul said:
reading about below BBC documentary - not sure who she & don't remember her from the inbetweeners (more of a skins fan), but heard some of an indignant interview on the radio this am.
Emily Atack on Asking For It? "This was the hardest thing I've ever filmed in my life"


I don't know why BBC indulge people who want to make such shows.
here, relating their, probably unrepresentative, harassment experience; this perpetuates the concern/fear by other folks on the prevalence of the issue,
meanwhile, she finds, unsurprisingly, that the idiots who harass her step up their activity, a vicious circle; just the BBC ratings as a winner.
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You've answered your own question - media businesses make such shows because they get views/clicks and thus get profit/power. Politicians do the same for the same reason. It also helps to promote division, fear of "them" and dehumanisation, which are key parts of any ideology of prejudice and power. Fear is a very powerful political tool.
 
The system we have now is pretty good for the most part. The issue is fundamental to the crime. Its grey. There is no getting around that unless you want to pass some very invasive and draconian laws that require written consent from both parties and you invalidate them based on intoxication etc.

You cannot prove so many cases. Other cases there is simply a difference of opinion on events. Other cases the person doesn't feel confident coming forward for one of a million reasons. All we can do is help people to feel comfortable coming forwards and try to do the best we can.
 
StriderX said:
Equalise the relationship by giving every woman a gun.
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Then you'd have to give every man a gun. Same gun both times, of course, to make things equal. But what about children? They'd have to have guns too, to avoid things being too unequal.

katie279 said:
Ah, the American model...... That works well... :D
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Quite a few people in the USA don't have a gun. Maybe that's the problem! Maybe it'd be fine if absolutely everyone had a gun. Maybe. But probably not.
 
UK sesnsibilities too - Cancelling of Delilah seems next madness - are people who sing it even thinking about a crime passionel, next will be bohemian rapsody, say,
but both have elements of remorse.

dipped into bbc series about the birth of hip-hop last night which was discussing how ICE-T heritage song Cop Killer had been so divisive/controversial representing reaction to police brutality,
in clinton era .. obviously, now, very relevant.
 
jpaul said:
UK sesnsibilities too - Cancelling of Delilah seems next madness - are people who sing it even thinking about a crime passionel, next will be bohemian rapsody, say,
but both have elements of remorse.

dipped into bbc series about the birth of hip-hop last night which was discussing how ICE-T heritage song Cop Killer had been so divisive/controversial representing reaction to police brutality,
in clinton era .. obviously, now, very relevant.
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In a similar vein to your hip-hop and mysoginistic songs post... the conflict and confusion as an under-10-good-boy listening to NWA's niggaz4life album all faded away when 'Automobile' was reached :)
 
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.. hasn't gone away

The Kissing incident seems fairly innocuous versus other recent pre-meditated sexism in Spain -
courtesy of social media both sides in the kiss have now gone nuclear, he's now the spanish scapegoat, can't see why he wouldn't apologise,
doesn't seem implausible that in the spur of the moment there was a mis-communication, she could have had the presence of mind to push him away.

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