The kiss lasted about 0.4 seconds, yet every media company is freeze framing it, it's literally your gran giving you a peck on the lips as a kid. It's the least outrageous thing I've ever seen to be blown up.
#MeToo - is it just different for men and women?
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The kiss lasted about 0.4 seconds, yet every media company is freeze framing it, it's literally your gran giving you a peck on the lips as a kid. It's the least outrageous thing I've ever seen to be blown up.
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I didn't know there was a 20 year rule on the me too campaign?
If its not okay it's not okay.
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Well is that not the point, it was ok and we've now changed the rules.
All a media fuss about nothing and hysteria... I mean, it's not like he physically grabbed her and lifted her off the floor or something...
All a bit embarrassing for my sex, I say....
All a media fuss about nothing and hysteria... I mean, it's not like he physically grabbed her and lifted her off the floor or something...
All a bit embarrassing for my sex, I say....
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Soldato
Wow I didn't realise he was her gran and she is a child, that makes it all fine then. You go up to some random woman and kiss her on the lips and see what happens.
It's not some random woman on the street though is it, why do you feel the need to remove all context? Contextually the kiss isn't completely outrageous, if she didn't like it then a simple apology privately would've been perfectly fine. Him learning from it and not doing it again and everyone moving on with their lives and celebrating their world cup win which has now been tarnished with this complete rubbish would've been preferable.
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Well is that not the point, it was ok and we've now changed the rules.
All a media fuss about nothing and hysteria... I mean, it's not like he physically grabbed her and lifted her off the floor or something...
All a bit embarrassing for my sex, I say....
Isn't me too looking back retrospectively with today's conventions at yesterday's actions though?
The thread is about is it different for men and women.
And the answer is yes, no one seems to care about where men played football under the threat of violence and physical attack. No one is going back through the archives looking for abuse of males and bringing the perpetrators to justice and ruining their careers 20 years later.
My question is, why not?
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Judging the past on the morals of today is just moronic.
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Well if you follow the logic that the modern world's approach is correct, then your conclusion is the only 'fair' and logical one.
If however you look at the rocketing rates of discontent, psychological distress, depression rates, suicide, societal discord, perceived trust and countless other metrics, then you could more likely conclude that our current world view is somewhat flawed..... !
If however you look at the rocketing rates of discontent, psychological distress, depression rates, suicide, societal discord, perceived trust and countless other metrics, then you could more likely conclude that our current world view is somewhat flawed..... !
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Specifically suicide, it dropped a lot from when records began in the early 80's to 2005 and has been fairly static since, other than during the pandemic
Your perception of suicide rates "rocketing" are likely not true, but people talk about it more now so it seems like it's higher.
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Suspended by FIFA
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Spanish FA boss Rubiales suspended by Fifa
Luis Rubiales, president of Spain's football federation, is provisionally suspended by world governing body Fifa.
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Caporegime
This has all got a bit ridiculous really
Some modern trends in "social justice" do seem anything but fair, or just.
I especially don't like the idea that modern people should have to apologies for the actions of their ancestors. That seems bonkers to me, but it's all the rage, now.
Honestly, an apology should probably be enough. Sure, call him out, call him a dinosaur, highlight that this is unacceptable behaviour (as society has deemed it to be).
But the obsession with getting people fired for everything, that's a relatively modern thing, as far as I can tell.
The end result of everything now seems to be boycotts, losing your job, and being a pariah forever.
I'm not sure that's healthy, either. Or fair, or just.
Yeah, what he did was inappropriate, but he apologised. At that point we should move on with everyone acknowledging that it's not acceptable. We're at a point where we'll be putting straight white men infront of AA guns North Korea style soon for having dared to look a woman in the eye.
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My view as always been that I'd never enter into another persons space without having specific permission. Asking her just before would have been enough.
It's why on dates people generally don't go straight in for a kiss. They slow approach so the other person can see them and have a chance to pull away.
In my view he set himself up. For someone in his position with all the cameras on him he must have known that she was less likely to stop it.
It's like when some people have public marriage proposals usually to be nice the person surprised says yes, and then later out of sight says no.
He put her on the spot. If I was her husband/boyfriend I'd think he was taking a liberty.
Wasn't he grabbing his crotch in another incident? I'm wondering if he was drunk.
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Meh, he's just trying to bluster his way out this mess and is now going to make it worse. A public apology and a bit humility as soon as this story broke would have ended this whole episode before it got legs.It's odd too that the Spanish FA are threatening legal action against the player.
Luis Rubiales suspended by FIFA as Spanish FA threatens legal action
The Spanish Football Association accuses Jenni Hermoso of lying about her response to a kiss from president Luis Rubiales and threatens legal action, as FIFA suspends the under-fire Spanish president.www.abc.net.au
Luis Rubiales' apology for kissing Jenni Hermoso 'not enough' says Spain's prime minister
Spain's prime minister says there is "a long way to go for equality" after Luis Rubiales kissed Jenni Hermoso following the Women's World Cup final.
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He did apologise, it wasn't good enough.