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Microsoft Locks Ryzen, Kaby Lake Users Out of Updates On Windows 7, 8.1

The increase is from people who had W10 and went back from W7 and for older machines that were sold by OEM's which had W7 still installed as they will just be discounted. Those people then missed all the free update stuff to W10 and so they have activated W7 since.

In regards to what Microsoft are doing, yeah I don't agree but they have always stated this would be the case in honesty. I am not worried about the data mining part per say, the adverts shouldn't be all over it though. I also personally like the layout but actually preferred the principle of what 8.1 was trying to do.

I don't need a desktop area and a start menu, I just need a large menu accordingly as it was. What they needed to have done is remove all the way in which their legacy parts were working where it would drop into desktop and just give us a complete system on the new version.

Pushing things in a different direction is needed to what we have. Currently it is 30% legacy and 70% new UI layout.
 
I don't know if this stuffs been posted already but I'll post it again anyway. Barnacules worked for Microsoft on Windows until a couple of years ago as he states in the video, so while some may think he's butthurt over getting laid off it's still interesting stuff and worth watching.

Microsoft Drops Windows 7/8.1 Support for AMD Ryzen & Intel Kaby Lake CPU & Lies About It

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5mFI9spp10

Prevent Windows 10 Spying - Privacy & Security Matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1kGMCfb2xw
 
Seen them and not disputing the fact they could support it if they wanted. The simple fact is that they don't and tbh they don't have too. To keep offering legacy support is difficult.

It is no different to other software only supporting their product for a year and releasing a new product that no longer officially supports older hardware. We get that all the time at work with software from companies because then they have a much smaller test bed of systems they need to work through and worry about and by offering that it generally means the software gets patches and updates that give noticeable stability and performance faster than having to support a decade of legacy software.

W8 is a little controversial but honestly I wish Microsoft could kill off all OS systems that are older with no further support for any hardware so they can concentrate on what is current and needs sorting and patching today. Using 50% of my resources with my team to work on old projects to support people who are not willing to move on cripples us in the same way.

Different industry and same issue is to be found.
 
nashathedog said:
Barnacules worked for Microsoft on Windows until a couple of years ago as he states in the video, so while some may think he's butthurt over getting laid off it's still interesting stuff and worth watching.
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The funny thing is that as it was actually Gerry's team that wrote the automation software which later laid him off (selected him from a pool for random redundancy) he can't be that butthurt (and even laughed with Jay about it at the time).


deuse said:
Since windows 10, windows 7 sales have gone up.
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Windows 7 retail sales ceased before Windows 10 launched.
 
ubersonic said:
The funny thing is that as it was actually Gerry's team that wrote the automation software which later laid him off (selected him from a pool for random redundancy) he can't be that butthurt (and even laughed with Jay about it at the time).



Windows 7 retail sales ceased before Windows 10 launched.
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I can buy window 7 from the electronic buyer store right now
 
ubersonic said:
The funny thing is that as it was actually Gerry's team that wrote the automation software which later laid him off (selected him from a pool for random redundancy) he can't be that butthurt (and even laughed with Jay about it at the time).



Windows 7 retail sales ceased before Windows 10 launched.
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Not 100% right, see my reply accordingly. Although W7 home basic, premium & ultimate stopped October 31st 2014. Professional and 8.1 was 31st October 2016 and W8 was June 2016
 
Curlyriff said:
Not 100% right, see my reply accordingly. Although W7 home basic, premium & ultimate stopped October 31st 2014. Professional and 8.1 was 31st October 2016 and W8 was June 2016
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It was actually 100% right because like I said that was for retail sales. The dates you mentioned were the end dates for machines preloaded with Windows 7 (Dell/HP/etc) none of which ever used Kaby/Ryzen.
 
ubersonic said:
It was actually 100% right because like I said that was for retail sales. The dates you mentioned were the end dates for machines preloaded with Windows 7 (Dell/HP/etc) none of which ever used Kaby/Ryzen.
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The OEM sale on their site was not pre W10 though as I brought two copies of W7 after W10 was released of the Microsoft store for two computers that needed legacy support.
 
ubersonic said:
OEM != Retail.
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OK hang on, so I stated OEM sales for Dell, HP etc could still be brought with W7 after W10. What OEM sold W7 as stand alone? Those are retail and could also be brought after W10 was released? So both OEM and Retail options were available after release apart from officially OEM did not sell W7 machines after W10 was released. They sold them though by stating free update to W10 which circumvented them needing to recall what was already in the market.

So there were a number of retail places selling W7 and offically some still are so the case in point is that W7 may not be being restocked but they still have stock and can sell them accordingly.

The date for retail and OEM was the same for the copies!! It was on thee news and the sites. It was October 31st 2014 for home, premium and ultimate for both.

Edit: And yes I was meant to have stated retail for W7 on Microsoft store. Although going back it may have been 8.1 and then loaded it back to W7 officially for what was needed.
 
ubersonic said:
Windows 7 retail sales ceased before Windows 10 launched.
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You can still buy the retail version of win 7 now.

"Figures from NetMarketShare show that Windows 10 now sports a market share of 25.19%, and while this is a slight decrease compared to the data from last month, the 0.11% decline in percentage points is within the margin of error. On the other hand, Windows 7 market share increased to 48.41%, which is a notable increase compared to the 47.20% reported last month."

https://www.neowin.net/news/windows-7-market-share-goes-up-as-windows-10-remains-stagnant
 
ubersonic said:
Official sales ended in 2013, you can still buy surplus/dead stock but it's sold "as is" just like a sealed copy of Windows 95.


Are basically guesswork, seriously a change of 1.2% is well within the margin of error for their data collection.
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If you searched you would find all OS market share sites put win 7 way in front.
"Official sales ended in 2013, you can still buy surplus/dead stock" A dead OS out selling win 10 says a lot. MS can't even give it away.
 
deuse said:
Market share sites records actual OS usage (based on web browsing)
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Ignoring the fact that that isn't actual OS usage, I did mention a couple of posts earlier that because it's basically guesswork a change of 1.2% is well within the margin of error for their data collection. It simply means that last month more Windows 7 systems visited the 40,000 websites that log data than did the month before.
 
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