*** Microsoft Windows 11 Thoughts & Discussion Thread ***

throwaway4372 said:
Broken link? I see a blank youtube page.
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It was a post by Linus regarding frustration with updates and turning to a hammer.

Struck a bit of chord with me :s especially as today I booted up an old tablet to put to some use... OK these devices should never have been shipped with Windows 10 but still (Atom w/ 2GB RAM and 32GB storage) - first 30-40 minutes completely unusable due to maintenance and update tasks chugging 70% CPU and IO... but still an utterly pants on head stupid approach by MS that no one should be defending.

EDIT: 2.5 hours later it is still averaging 25% CPU use in the background...

EDIT: Still going 36% or so CPU use more than 4 hours later...
 
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Is it just me or does video take bloody ages to resume from pause on Windows 11 vs 10?

I just upgraded and it's driving me nuts. Upgraded my gpu drivers and still no difference. Sometimes it takes a solid 1-5 seconds before the video starts playing :confused:
 
Checked using task manager or process explorer to see what is going on in the background? sometimes stuff like the malware protection engine get very busy causing things to take awhile to respond.
 
Hi guys, I finally updated my main gaming rig, spec in sig, last night... startup times seem a bit laggy if I'm honest? c.40 seconds (stopwatch) from power-on to desktop? I' was pretty quick off of the mark with my login.

Any tips for improving that? I know for a fact Win 10 was fast for me on this set-up :D

Thanks!
 
slipd said:
Hi guys, I finally updated my main gaming rig, spec in sig, last night... startup times seem a bit laggy if I'm honest? c.40 seconds (stopwatch) from power-on to desktop? I' was pretty quick off of the mark with my login.

Any tips for improving that? I know for a fact Win 10 was fast for me on this set-up :D

Thanks!
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I personally found it to be very clucky Unconnected not joined up it slow me down. gave it two months and just rolled back. i will wait for windows 12 see if that is a real improvement and not a Microsoft BS story.
 
Any ideas about this one:

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Windows Security is flagging it.

Is it just a case of deleting all the suss drivers?
 
click review incompatible drivers to see what the issue is, might just be able to install the latest driver for whatever device it is.

if that doesn't work, you'd have to make a judgement whether to remove the driver or just dismiss the warning. Obvs that depends what the driver is for. You don't have to just obey Microsoft, it's your choice what to do.
 
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throwaway4372 said:
click review incompatible drivers to see what the issue is, might just be able to install the latest driver for whatever device it is.

if that doesn't work, you'd have to make a judgement whether to remove the driver or just dismiss the warning. Obvs that depends what the driver is for. You don't have to just obey Microsoft, it's your choice what to do.
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Thanks mate! It seems like I have a lot of old drivers... for things like my c.2010 Blackberry etc. :D

They all seem protected from deletion so I'm going to have to make a note of their names and delete them outside of Windows.
 
slipd said:
Thanks mate! It seems like I have a lot of old drivers... for things like my c.2010 Blackberry etc. :D

They all seem protected from deletion so I'm going to have to make a note of their names and delete them outside of Windows.
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All sorted! MS are happy now.

Incidentally, are there any reputable apps that will safely purge all your old drivers/unused devices etc.? I'm not aware any anything.
 
Oh yeah, I actually forgot about this and Memory Integrity has been disabled from day 1 (it's not auto enabled ona non-fresh install) and there have been articles and comparisons about having it on impacting gaming framerates but on modern systems it should not be a big issue.

My install is an in-place upgrade since Windows Vista so have odl driver references that Mem Integrity does not like. I will need to spend some time in a terminal window uninstalling those remnants using the pnputil command if I want to use the feature as some old driver shystem files are being seen by for stuff uninstalled long ago.

Edit* Done, that took a while, around 30 or so driver files from old DVB-T TV cards and webcams etc.

Did some benchmark testing with MI on and off with Cyberpunk 2077:

Core isolation all on:
7529 frames rendered in 65.375 s
Average framerate : 115.1 FPS
Minimum framerate : 102.6 FPS
Maximum framerate : 132.7 FPS
1% low framerate : 88.8 FPS
0.1% low framerate : 80.1 FPS


Core isolation all off:
7337 frames rendered in 64.454 s
Average framerate : 113.8 FPS
Minimum framerate : 101.8 FPS
Maximum framerate : 132.7 FPS
1% low framerate : 88.5 FPS
0.1% low framerate : 71.4 FPS

So a slight difference but nothing that would fall outside of # run-variance. Be more secure, turn it on :cool:
 
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shamus21 said:
I personally found it to be very clucky Unconnected not joined up it slow me down. gave it two months and just rolled back. i will wait for windows 12 see if that is a real improvement and not a Microsoft BS story.
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I've gone back to Windows 10 too.

Windows 11 is still very buggy, and I'm not a fan of things needing more steps to do. It's as if they've changed certain things for the sake of it!

And whilst some people state the benefits of running 11 with raptor lake I've found 10 to work absolutely fine.
 
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mrk said:
Oh yeah, I actually forgot about this and Memory Integrity has been disabled from day 1 (it's not auto enabled ona non-fresh install) and there have been articles and comparisons about having it on impacting gaming framerates but on modern systems it should not be a big issue.

My install is an in-place upgrade since Windows Vista so have odl driver references that Mem Integrity does not like. I will need to spend some time in a terminal window uninstalling those remnants using the pnputil command if I want to use the feature as some old driver shystem files are being seen by for stuff uninstalled long ago.

Edit* Done, that took a while, around 30 or so driver files from old DVB-T TV cards and webcams etc.

Did some benchmark testing with MI on and off with Cyberpunk 2077:

Core isolation all on:
7529 frames rendered in 65.375 s
Average framerate : 115.1 FPS
Minimum framerate : 102.6 FPS
Maximum framerate : 132.7 FPS
1% low framerate : 88.8 FPS
0.1% low framerate : 80.1 FPS


Core isolation all off:
7337 frames rendered in 64.454 s
Average framerate : 113.8 FPS
Minimum framerate : 101.8 FPS
Maximum framerate : 132.7 FPS
1% low framerate : 88.5 FPS
0.1% low framerate : 71.4 FPS

So a slight difference but nothing that would fall outside of # run-variance. Be more secure, turn it on :cool:
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You know that's one thing I'd love to see covered by a *decent YouTube'er or something, i tried looking for benchmarks to asses the impact of Memory Integrity and the other Exploit protections like CFG, DEP, ALSR and SEHOP but there's either nothing out there or my Googlefu let me down.

*Not saying your results aren't decent as any info is better than none, it's just I'd like to see results across a selection of games and hardware like how they effect AMD vs Intel or even Nvidia and if the game itself has a bigger or smaller impact.
 
Murphy said:
You know that's one thing I'd love to see covered by a *decent YouTube'er or something, i tried looking for benchmarks to asses the impact of Memory Integrity and the other Exploit protections like CFG, DEP, ALSR and SEHOP but there's either nothing out there or my Googlefu let me down.

*Not saying your results aren't decent as any info is better than none, it's just I'd like to see results across a selection of games and hardware like how they effect AMD vs Intel or even Nvidia and if the game itself has a bigger or smaller impact.
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For sure and different games will yield different result as not all game engines access the same files on disk - Games with DRM like Denuvo for example will likely see the biggest impact because the DRM is a massive hindrance, it will be scanning all game data constantly, and scanning memory sectors constantly which will impact the whole Core Isolation processes.

Sadly there isn't a benchmark feature built into every game like Cyberpunk has so even though RTSS does have a benchmark feature which I have posted above to measure 1% and 0.1% lows which are arguably more important in this context as it shows low level impact, other games rely on playing the game whilst running the RTSS bench, and as we know, playing a game without a scripted sequence, will have difference things happening, different weather, NPCs etc which will all have a variation of fps difference in the results.
 
ChocAndGray said:
I've gone back to Windows 10 too.

Windows 11 is still very buggy, and I'm not a fan of things needing more steps to do. It's as if they've changed certain things for the sake of it!

And whilst some people state the benefits of running 11 with raptor lake I've found 10 to work absolutely fine.
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Funny I never thought I'd see the day I'd prefer Windows 8 over anything, then they gave us 10... I never thought I'd prefer 10 over anything then they gave us 11... I just find it way too clunky and extra steps for no good reason, etc. etc. as well as even less reliable than 10. The core purpose of an operating system is enabling the end user everything else is fluff and Windows 10 and 11 fall flat on that metric.
 
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