Monaco Grand Prix 2010, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19

Alibaba99 said:
The pass would have been legitimate if they had been racing, but they weren't. The rules state (article 40.13 as shown above) that if the final lap starts under the safety car it will come in at the end of the lap and the cars will proceed to the finish line in their current order. It's actually simple and clear. So Ross Brawn didn't know the rules, whos fault is that?
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I don't agree. They were racing, otherwise they all would have cruised to the line! Green flags and lights means race on to any driver.

You're right, it's simple and clear if the safety car was still deployed, but it wasn't. That was the mistake of the race director.

You can't say that Ross Brawn doesn't know the rules! If there was doubt, I'm sure someone in the team could back him up too. The new rule for this year allowing passing beyond the SC line made the pass possible.
 
Oh dear. FIA and race stewards shooting themselves in the foot again, after all their work to undo the damage caused by the Mad Max regime.

And yes, Ferrari International Assistance and all that crap. As with Spa in '08, I will maintain that the same (wrong) decision would have been reached no matter what car the other bugger was driving. We'll never know, and I look forward to hearing the reactions from the usual suspects.

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Hey, Seb Buemi was promoted into the points. Torro Rosso International Assistance!!!111oneoneoneeleventysquillion ;)

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I wonder how many people will forget I ever condemned this penalty? I'm going to go ahead and guess at least one :D
 
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Alibaba99 said:
The rules state (article 40.13 as shown above) that if the final lap starts under the safety car it will come in at the end of the lap and the cars will proceed to the finish line in their current order. It's actually simple and clear.
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It says nothing of the sort. Try reading it again.

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.
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Read it carefully: "If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed".

The race ended when Webber crossed the finish line. At that precise moment the safety car was not deployed. It was not on track, the SC boards weren't lit and the flags were all green. It says nothing at all about the final lap starting under the safety car so stop claiming otherwise.

The rule is actually a joke as it contradicts itself, since it goes on to say that the safety car "will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap", which is impossible if it was deployed when the race finished.
 
Schumacher (always has to be!) spotted a potential loophole in the rules. What he did was downright dangerous, and one way or another it won't happen again.

Good on Damon for clipping him around the ear.
 
Vertigo1 said:
It says nothing of the sort. Try reading it again.



Read it carefully: "If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed".

The race ended when Webber crossed the finish line. At that precise moment the safety car was not deployed. It was not on track, the SC boards weren't lit and the flags were all green. It says nothing at all about the final lap starting under the safety car so stop claiming otherwise.

The rule is actually a joke as it contradicts itself, since it goes on to say that the safety car "will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap", which is impossible if it was deployed when the race finished.
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I think you're wrong with your intepretation, it clearly says the safety car will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap. This is obviously a mix up of the two rules, with 40.13 taking precedence. Unfortunate, as it was a great overtake, but right. It does seem that someone screwed up by putting the greens on though.
 
MagicBoy said:
What he did was downright dangerous, and one way or another it won't happen again.
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You what?

I'm sorry, I know the anti-Schumacher sentiment is rife on most UK-based internet forums but **** me - how in God's name can you call that move "downright dangerous"?!

Alonso hit the gas too early. He spun his wheels, and slid wide having to back out of the throttle as he did so. Schumacher spotted this, saw where the safety car line was, knew that the safety car was in the bloody pitlane and nipped inside of him into the final turn. Job done.
 
absolute joke of a decision! The whole panel who decided on the penalty should be sacked.

Schumey was completely in the right, and I can't believe that even if they appeal and get the winning vote they can't have the penalty taken off them, WHAT!?!? :mad:
 
Burned_Alive said:
According to that rule it is considered to still be deployed, but comes in for the end of the lap, the lead car becoming the safety car with no overtaking allowed. It would appear the safety car line is irrelevant on the last lap.
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I think prior to this year that is the correct interpretation. Bu this year overtaking has been allowed from the safety car line. The question is which rule takes precedence?
 
Burned_Alive said:
According to that rule it is considered to still be deployed, but comes in for the end of the lap, the lead car becoming the safety car with no overtaking allowed. It would appear the safety car line is irrelevant on the last lap.
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guy in race control probably called charlie whiting shouldnt have put the green lights on around the track its retarded that schumacher gets a 20second penalty common sense would suggest he should have been classified as 7th place as he was only doing what the lights and flags were suggesting and that is race conditions.

they shouldnt have even told the teams safety car in this lap if racing was not alowed the fia should take responsibility for a balls up and not punish a driver for doing as told.

i suspect if it were any track other than monaco they wouldnt have staged the "fake" race for the flag from the last corner
 
Burned_Alive said:
According to that rule it is considered to still be deployed, but comes in for the end of the lap, the lead car becoming the safety car with no overtaking allowed. It would appear the safety car line is irrelevant on the last lap.
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The Safteycar is only considered deployed if there are Saftey car boards being shown, rule 40.13 was written for the old safteycar procedure where there was no overtaking before the start finish line, that is the only reason it mentions no overtaking.
 
JRS said:
You what?

I'm sorry, I know the anti-Schumacher sentiment is rife on most UK-based internet forums but **** me - how in God's name can you call that move "downright dangerous"?!

Alonso hit the gas too early. He spun his wheels, and slid wide having to back out of the throttle as he did so. Schumacher spotted this, saw where the safety car line was, knew that the safety car was in the bloody pitlane and nipped inside of him into the final turn. Job done.
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I stand by what I said. Alonso wouldn't have been expecting Schumacher to pull anything like that move as they are effectively running under yellow flags.

Same applies to Alonso doing Massa into the pitlane in China, unfortunately that wasn't illegal so he got away with it.

I call it how I see it. Indignation and shouting won't change my mind.
 
Since we're throwing rules around and many of you seem to have skipped a few, here's another i think is relevant:
Ferrari International Assistance Guideline's said:
40.4 When the order is given to deploy the safety car the message "SAFETY CAR DEPLOYED" will be displayed on the timing monitors and all marshal's posts will display waved yellow flags and "SC" boards for the duration of the intervention.
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They are claiming the race ended under the safety car conditions!

I'm not bloody happy :mad: :p
 
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