Soldato
I do agree on that one...
Monaco Grand Prix 2010, Monte Carlo - Race 6/19
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I do agree on that one...
Soldato
I put the slide down to cold tyres and frustration at being bottled up behind the safety car. Who when given an F1 Ferrari can resist pressing the loud pedal when given the opportunity.
Heh, you have a point
Seriously though, he obviously lost momentum with that wobble. And had Schumacher not gone for it we would have had posts like 'Schumacher's lost his edge, not interested in fighting for positions any more, why doesn't he just retire'. He pulled a move off today that was straight out of the Ladybird Book Of Motor Racing....and he's penalised.
This is exactly the same as with Hamilton at Spa in '08. A badly-written rule, a bizarre stewards decision, and a crap-load of bitching on this forum. Seems like F1 really doesn't learn from mistakes.
Caporegime
i know we are suppose to hate Germans and all that Dunkirk spirit stuff, but even a blind man can see MSC did a clever little overtake, and should keep his 6th place
This doesnt really come as a surprise.
Massa got away with blocking Button during qualifying, as he was slowing down to give himself space, from an imaginary car in front of him.
Now MS gets a harsh decision.
Ferrari International Assistance are definitely attempting to do what they can do, to assist Ferrari.
My belief is that what we saw this weekend is nothing compared to what we are going to see later on this season.
Anyway, onto the Turkey now. If memory serves me correct Massa is a specialist on the Turkish track, so Alonso will do very well to outperform Massa in 2 weeks.
The RedBulls of course, should be nigh on unbeatable there, so lets see if Ferrari/Massa can do anything to stop the RedBulls getting another win.
Massa got away with blocking Button during qualifying, as he was slowing down to give himself space, from an imaginary car in front of him.
Now MS gets a harsh decision.
Ferrari International Assistance are definitely attempting to do what they can do, to assist Ferrari.
My belief is that what we saw this weekend is nothing compared to what we are going to see later on this season.
Anyway, onto the Turkey now. If memory serves me correct Massa is a specialist on the Turkish track, so Alonso will do very well to outperform Massa in 2 weeks.
The RedBulls of course, should be nigh on unbeatable there, so lets see if Ferrari/Massa can do anything to stop the RedBulls getting another win.
Soldato
And once again, sunama doesn't disappoint 
Not a great decision this and in any case a 20 second penalty is ridiculous.
Man of Honour
I'm far from the world's biggest Schumacher fan but I don't feel what he did was wrong. Disappointing.
Associate
That decision was totally ridiculous. There was a green light, and green flags when Schumacher overtook, therefore, there was no saftey car, and Michael deserves his 6th place back.
Associate
Damon Hill destroyed the so called credibility the stewards had gained since they had a former driver on the panel with this pathetic decision. They should have a panel of professional stewards who travel to every race so that the same people are stewards at every race. That should help to bring some consistency to decisions, especially if they employ people who do know the rules.
Man of Honour
Hang on, why are we hanging Damon Hill here?
Does anyone know how decisions are reached? A vote? A majority rule?
Associate
If you actually believe all this Ferrari International Assistance nonsense then you need to stop watching F1. It's making you think irrationally.
Soldato
Unfortunately for Damon, he's the high-profile guy involved in the decision. He was always going to be the one to cop any flak for it.
Soldato
If the rules state that on the last lap under the SC no one should pass then he shouldn't have passed - rubbish rule but if its there rules are rules. Nothing to do with Damon Hill.
The problem is the race control said that the SC was in on that lap as can be seen here:
Mercedes took that to mean that the race wasn't going to finish under the safety car. If race control wanted to finish under the safety car then they should have done jack all and just let the SC pit on the last corner and keep the lights/flags yellow.
by your logic no one should ever try to overtake because when your overtaking your putting the car where its not expected to be or the door wouldnt be open in the first place
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im sure the rules say there shouldnt be green lights during a safety car period aswell
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I stand by Schumi's overtake being legal, even after considering that stupid rule.
Barichello didn't appear to throw the wheel to me, he moved it out quickly with the intention of just dropping it out the side but it bounced funny twice (like a rugby ball!) and ended up next to the curb.
Also, Massa didn't deliberately hold up JB, everyone was slowing down at this point on the track, and JB wasn't the only one to experience this, lots of drivers did. Massa himself was held up. Sure, it's a selfish thing to do, but to win you have to be like this, it should almost be a given.
Barichello didn't appear to throw the wheel to me, he moved it out quickly with the intention of just dropping it out the side but it bounced funny twice (like a rugby ball!) and ended up next to the curb.
Also, Massa didn't deliberately hold up JB, everyone was slowing down at this point on the track, and JB wasn't the only one to experience this, lots of drivers did. Massa himself was held up. Sure, it's a selfish thing to do, but to win you have to be like this, it should almost be a given.
Also, I thought the whole "drive through penalty given after the race in the form of a 25 second time penalty" punishment method was outlawed anyway? I thought they had to give a grid penalty as they decided (rightfully so) that making decisions hours after a race that changed the result did nothing but pee everyone off?
Completely agree. Alonso lit up the tyres and that gave MS the chance he needed. Shameful decision by the FIA. As you said, one way to undo their relatively decent decision making for the last little while.
You can't blame people for mentioning the assistance though. The correlation between these decisions and the reds has been set as a precedent and its not being broken.
Edit: If the rules truly stipulate that the SC being out on the last lap means no overtaking then it needs revising, one way or the other. The SC comes in before the lap is over, the new SC line has been drawn and frankly that's the rule that I would be following. MS met all of the criteria for a legitimate overtake IMO.
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