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Who'll replace Bernie?
"Formula One's board of directors to be told to prepare for life without enigmatic chief executive Bernie Ecclestone"

It's got to be someone new. Also
"will address the sport’s stalling profitability, worrying lack of sponsorship revenue as well as key personnel, including succession planning after Ecclestone"

Shouldn't of gone for pay 4 view and charging tracks to much.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mo...gmatic-chief-executive-Bernie-Ecclestone.html
 
Your determination to deliberately miss quote or cherry pick in order to fuel your own agenda is becoming increasingly tedious.

I'd also be keen to understand how you have come to the conclusion that earning more revenue for TV rights and earning more revenue from hosting fees is somehow the cause of less profits? That's some kind of messed up economics if so.

(For those of you interested in the full story, rather than just the deuse digest of made up BS, the actual reason for stalling profitability is clearly stated in the article, deuse just deliberately chose not to mention it).

Next up, an insult, and a claim V8s wi save F1.
 
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Your determination to deliberately miss quote or cherry pick in order to fuel your own agenda is becoming increasingly tedious.

I'd also be keen to understand how you have come to the conclusion that earning more revenue for TV rights and earning more revenue from hosting fees is somehow the cause of less profits? That's some kind of messed up economics if so.

(For those of you interested in the full story, rather than just the deuse digest of made up BS, the actual reason for stalling profitability is clearly stated in the article, deuse just deliberately chose not to mention it).

Next up, an insult, and a claim V8s wi save F1.

"Telegraph Sport understands that the report, written by Jean-Marc Huët, the former financial director of Unilever and F1 board member, will address the sport’s stalling profitability, worrying lack of sponsorship revenue as well as key personnel, including succession planning after Ecclestone"

I just gave my opinion. Even they are looking in to it today I believe.
 
Despite Bernie's increasingly frequent and bizarre ramblings, F1 as a business is in a rude state of health. They've laid the necessary groundwork to monetise the audience and now the next steps are to expand that monetised audience, presumably in new markets as the established ones are pretty mature and the cost of acquisition of new, casual monetised viewers is incredibly expensive.

That's not to say that there aren't huge problems with the way in which the sport is run, but the business sitting on top of it is just fine. The business would undoubtedly benefit from improvements to the sport itself though - it is just that there's rarely agreement on how best to go about it.
 
"Telegraph Sport understands that the report, written by Jean-Marc Huët, the former financial director of Unilever and F1 board member, will address the sport’s stalling profitability, worrying lack of sponsorship revenue as well as key personnel, including succession planning after Ecclestone"

I just gave my opinion. Even they are looking in to it today I believe.

Shock as person hired to write report on state of F1's health decides to make recommendations to change that include succession planning for an 85 year old key person.
 
Even the second time around, having been pulled up on it, deuse still declines to omit the actual reason for the stalled profitability... :rolleyes:

Despite there being two more races this year – the return of Germany and the introduction of Azerbaijan take the calendar to a record 21 rounds – the sport is not expected to be any more profitable for CVC. That is in part because they will have to pay out a huge £50 million prize money bonus payment to Mercedes for winning back-to-back championships. The sport raises revenue of around £1 billion a year, with approximately £650 million going to the teams.

We don't need "your opinon" deuse, we have the facts, right there in-front of you. CVC's profitability is stalling because they are giving 65% of their profits to the teams. The article is about the profitability to CVC, not the whole sport as a whole. Aren't you one of those firmly in the "give the teams all the money" camp anyway, which would mean you hold a stance that CVC being less profitable is exactly what you want?

CVC's profitability is stalling. F1s isn't.

That's not to say that there aren't huge problems with the way in which the sport is run, but the business sitting on top of it is just fine. The business would undoubtedly benefit from improvements to the sport itself though - it is just that there's rarely agreement on how best to go about it.

To be fair, FOM are right to be concerned about the balls up the FIA are making of the sport they earn their crust from.
 
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Thought there was a halo thread, anyhow this seems like a better idea :D

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Doesn't fill me with confidence at all, teams and drivers focusing on grid position it seems.

Will also see very little running in practice I assume.
 
I'm confused why some drivers only chose 1 set of mediums for the whole weekend if they must be used in the race?

Seems like they won't be able to get much tyre data/feel in practice without ruining them?

They don't have to be used in the race ;)

You have to have a set available of both the medium and soft but you only have to use two of the three compounds, any two. So if you use soft and supersoft you aren't required to run the mediums at all in the race.

My guess is Rosberg has an extra set of mediums, Ham extra set of softs. In one of the practices they'll use their extra set and the team will compare. That way they get some basic data on mediums for any just in case scenarios, wet race drying out, lower track temps the mediums might work out better in lower temps or safety car means a free pitstop and one long stint could get them to the end, etc.

Basically they want to run soft/supersoft in the race, they have to have one set each, one driver takes an extra set for some running to give them a little strategy cover. Most teams expect the same, s/ss running for the race. Why Manor went heavier on mediums I don't know. They might just want to do more medium running as throughout the year it's a heavily used tire and they did miss out on a lot of testing. Maybe they were simply entirely unsure of their tire wear at the time of ordering. Imagine your new car being the Merc 2013 style tire eater and you've only got the softest tire. Manor had the biggest year to year change in car pretty much and maybe as such had the least confidence in tire wear.
 
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Ah, when it said must be "used" I assumed in terms of grip being slightly worn, like the set you take from Q2 into the race start :o
 
Doesn't fill me with confidence at all, teams and drivers focusing on grid position it seems.

Will also see very little running in practice I assume.

Quite the opposite I think, teams will be testing out new parts so I'd imagine there will be lots of running across the practice sessions.
 
Ah, when it said must be "used" I assumed in terms of grip being slightly worn, like the set you take from Q2 into the race start :o

No, it means they must use either a set of Softs or a set of Mediums at some point in the race. The 2 compound rule remains, so the drivers will have to use another compound too.

So the combinations a driver can use in the race are (allowing for them being also forced to start on whatever they set their Q2 lap on):
M/S
M/SS
M/S/SS
S/SS

So you could run the whole weekend and never be forced to use the Medium. The reason why every driver has at least one is because they are in the 3 that Pirelli mandate (one of each set here, although it doesn't have to be that). So, expect to see the Medium used on Friday, and then the rest of the weekend will be Soft and Supersoft (for those guys with minimal Medium allocations).
 
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Can someone explain how to watch WEC and when its on etc. no nothin about it really apart from the very basics and I wouldn't mind getting into it this season.
 
No, it means they must use either a set of Softs or a set of Mediums at some point in the race. The 2 compound rule remains, so the drivers will have to use another compound too.

So the combinations a driver can use in the race are (allowing for them being also forced to start on whatever they set their Q2 lap on):
M/S
M/SS
M/S/SS
S/SS

So you could run the whole weekend and never be forced to use the Medium. The reason why every driver has at least one is because they are in the 3 that Pirelli mandate (one of each set here, although it doesn't have to be that). So, expect to see the Medium used on Friday, and then the rest of the weekend will be Soft and Supersoft (for those guys with minimal Medium allocations).

They have to take a set of mediums into the actual race. They have to give back 2 used sets after FP1(one after 40 mins, the rule to get them out early and for more of the session), 2 after FP2 and 2 after FP3. It can be any tires in those sessions but one each of the nominated two tire options(for Aus medium and soft) must be taken into the race. So Hamilton can't use mediums outside of the race with only one set available. Rosberg can use one set before the race.

So Grosjean, Ericcson, Hamilton, Mclaren, Renault, Williams won't use mediums until the race and even then they aren't very likely to.
 
Can someone explain how to watch WEC and when its on etc. no nothin about it really apart from the very basics and I wouldn't mind getting into it this season.

OK, so the easiest way to watch depends on whether you have Sky or not. If not, then the best (legal) way is to stream from the official website - membership is ~£25 per year IIRC. Quality is generally good, but I found it could be flaky at times. I hope they've upgraded the servers this year. Otherwise I believe it's broadcast on Eurosport, so BT Sport or Sky will give you the goods. Motors TV have also done it in the past, so there should be options in any case.

As for the WEC itself, there's 5 classes:
  • LMP1-H - this is the manufacturer/works team class - hybrid powertrains regularly producing in excess of 1,000 bhp. Porsche won last year, Toyota the year before and Audi the year before that, so should be close.
  • LMP1 Privateer - essentially LMP1-H but with no hybrid tech to keep the costs down. Only Rebellion and ByKolles this year, but should grow in 2017.
  • LMP2 - most teams run customer chassis and the vast majority run Nissan engines. New regulations mean that open top LMP2 cars will be rare (or homologated out this year?). There must be one amateur driver in the line up.
  • GTE Pro - essentially GT3 cars which are road-car based (including the engine in theory, BMW Z4 excepted). The drivers are generally all professional (there's a driver grading system which isn't worth going into here)
  • GTE Am - same cars as above (or perhaps one season older?), but the driver line up can only contain one professional driver

All cars have 3 drivers, and there can limitations on the talent in the cars as above. Drivers are rated Bronze, Silver and Gold, essentially a scale of amateur to professional. This can cause controversy.

The other element impacting on the classes is balance of performance or BoP. To enable significantly different cars to run in GTE (where everything from a BMW M6 to Ferrari 488s will be running), the cars are balanced using additional weight or engine restrictors, or both, to achieve the same overall lap time. This system is also used in LMP1 and LMP2, but not to the same extent as the cars are more homogeneous.

The race format is 6 hour endurance races, excepting Le Mans where the race is 24 hours (of course) and double points are scored. Le Mans (and frequently Spa, the race before) has a larger grid (traditionally 56 entrants), made up from invitations for champions of other endurance series, like the ELMS, American Le Mans Series, Asian Le Mans Series and so on.

Calendar is:
  • 17th April - Silverstone
  • 7th May - Circuit de Spa Francorchamps
  • 18th-19th June - Le Mans
  • 24th July - Nurburgring
  • 3rd September - Mexico
  • 17th September - Circuit of the Americas
  • 16th October - Fuji
  • 6th November - Shanghai
  • 19th November - Bahrain

The Qualifying format uses an aggregate of two driver's two best laps within a set time period (meaning that within a 20 minute period the first driver has to go out and set two laps, then come in for a driver change, so the second guy can do likewise). The idea is to introduce an element of consistency into the qualifying, as you'll be needing that in the race as well.
 
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OK, so the easiest way to watch depends on whether you have Sky or not. If not, then the best (legal) way is to stream from the official website - membership is ~£25 per year IIRC. Quality is generally good, but I found it could be flaky at times. I hope they've upgraded the servers this year. Otherwise I believe it's broadcast on Eurosport, so BT Sport or Sky will give you the goods. Motors TV have also done it in the past, so there should be options in any case.

As for the WEC itself, there's 5 classes:
  • LMP1-H - this is the manufacturer/works team class - hybrid powertrains regularly producing in excess of 1,000 bhp. Porsche won last year, Toyota the year before and Audi the year before that, so should be close.
  • LMP1 Privateer - essentially LMP1-H but with no hybrid tech to keep the costs down. Only Rebellion and ByKolles this year, but should grow in 2017.
  • LMP2 - most teams run customer chassis and the vast majority run Nissan engines. New regulations mean that open top LMP2 cars will be rare (or homologated out this year?). There must be one amateur driver in the line up.
  • GTE Pro - essentially GT3 cars which are road-car based (including the engine in theory, BMW Z4 excepted). The drivers are generally all professional (there's a driver grading system which isn't worth going into here)
  • GTE Am - same cars as above (or perhaps one season older?), but the driver line up can only contain one professional driver

All cars have 3 drivers, and there can limitations on the talent in the cars as above. Drivers are rated Bronze, Silver and Gold, essentially a scale of amateur to professional. This can cause controversy.

The other element impacting on the classes is balance of performance or BoP. To enable significantly different cars to run in GTE (where everything from a BMW M6 to Ferrari 488s will be running), the cars are balanced using additional weight or engine restrictors, or both, to achieve the same overall lap time. This system is also used in LMP1 and LMP2, but not to the same extent as the cars are more homogeneous.

The race format is 6 hour endurance races, excepting Le Mans where the race is 24 hours (of course) and double points are scored. Le Mans (and frequently Spa, the race before) has a larger grid (traditionally 56 entrants), made up from invitations for champions of other endurance series, like the ELMS, American Le Mans Series, Asian Le Mans Series and so on.

Calendar is:
  • 17th April - Silverstone
  • 7th May - Circuit de Spa Francorchamps
  • 18th-19th June - Le Mans
  • 24th July - Nurburgring
  • 3rd September - Mexico
  • 17th September - Circuit of the Americas
  • 16th October - Fuji
  • 6th November - Shanghai
  • 19th November - Bahrain

The Qualifying format uses an aggregate of two driver's two best laps within a set time period (meaning that within a 20 minute period the first driver has to go out and set two laps, then come in for a driver change, so the second guy can do likewise). The idea is to introduce an element of consistency into the qualifying, as you'll be needing that in the race as well.

Thanks mate, I have Sky and BT sport (but watch my through my Dad's account) appreciate your post a lot. I think I'll go to FP1 Silverstone and get a taste of the cars live as well.
 
I'm going to Silverstone and assuming everything goes ok, to the Nurburgring too. Went to Silverstone last year and it's a really great couple of days (qualifying on Saturday, followed by the ELMS 4 hour on Saturday afternoon, then the main event on Sunday), plus it's only £40 for the weekend ticket including grandstand access.
 
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